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Thread: Time to dock points from drop goals

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    i hate drop goals and i think theys should be put back to one point.

    i am not just saying this because australia lost, im sick of boring rugby were the south africans and poms kick drop goals from 50 meters out.

    i would love a game to be sorted out after the siren by a 1 point drop goal just like in rugby league. the drop goal should just be a gamebreaker not something that can turn a game around.

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    I sympathise with all of you, but I am going to disagree.
    I think we should reduce the number of points for a penalty.
    For one simple reason.
    Scoring points from a penalty happens with a direct results of something the opposition does.
    To score points from a try or drop goal is directly from an action that you or your team does.
    Devaluing a drop goal will devalue attacking Rugby.

    If anything we should look to reduce a penalty to 2 point perhaps even 1 for offences like off side, hands in the ruck and scrum penalties. How many times has a game been won on the scrum penalty lottery? If the referee deems the offence deserves worse i.e. dangerous tackle, collapsing a ruck or taking an opponent out in the air then he should award a penalty try.

    For continual minor offences players and more dangerous offence the sin binning laws is the ultimate deterrent if used properly.

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    However, if penalties are reduced from 3 points teams will just offend more as they know they're not really going to get hit on the scoreboard.

    I think the proposed new rules on scrums (being trialled in the upcoming ARC) have more free-kicks for scrum offences and therefore the 'scrum lottery' will have less of an effect on the scoreboard.

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    Have to agree with you No.8, I had decided to let the thread run its course before commenting but you have explained my position better than I could myself. A DG is an attacking option, teams can and should be able to defend if good enough, the penalty is what slows the game down.

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    For ages I've thought that DGs should be worth 1 point.
    It's tricky about penalties - I do agree that penalties should penalise the offending team in order to discourage infringement, so perhaps more use of the sinbin is warranted (though I prefer watching rugby played between 2 full teams, so I would hope it really did act as a deterrent). But where it's cynical I don't see why it shouldn't benefit the opposition, so with a good balance of playing advantage and awarding penalty tries when needed, I guess reducing the points could be considered.

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    After Kiwi getting away with that spear tackle this weekend - and the Boks being down to 14 men for a lesser infringement - I'm really wanting to see some sort of meaningful tribunal system in rugby and players suspended for several games for problems - could you imagine if they brought in a thing for 5 Offsides in a game richie McCraw would never play again

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    Agreed TQ1, tribunals for international infringements are like a dog whose got no teeth, ie no bite....As for D.G's and P.G's, both should be lessened in my view as the onus should really be on scoring tries, not gaining field position for easy points, and especially with the new laws being introduced making defence of these tactics even tougher....It is total BS to believe field goals are an attacking option, it is just an easier alternative to break the defense of a harder team, the soft option....Penalty goals are warranted, but should be worth two points like conversions, although leaving as three points is OK with me as the idea is not to get penalised anyway, so i am not too bothered by this....

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    Wallabies kicking woes

    An alternate view to increase DG value.
    and on the kicking woes of Wallabies from SMH.

    http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/ar...623741389.html

    Not sure I agree with increasing points, but DG's are a valid part of attack, and a true skill of the game. Lets not get rid of them, just cos "we can't do it" mentality.

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    I have never seen this "we can't do it" bullsh*t, we have won plenty from field goals, and lost plenty as well...All i am saying is it is not the part of the game which i pay money to watch, i pay to watch 15 men attempt to score a try against 15 other men, not relying on one players ability to kick the ball between the sticks from 40, 30 even 50mt out rather than earn it through solid attack and skill....Of course, this is MY opinion Growden and others, which i believe i am entitled to....Obviously we differ on this view, maybe you should watch AFL, they kick a lot....

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    Funny to see that as soon as John Connolly expressed this view in

    "Lets curb the superboots"

    That Ewan McKenzie came out with

    "No need to drop field goal tactic"

    then the killer punch from Greg Growden

    "Improve drop goals and stop whingeing"

    Its no wonder JC is sick of the negativity of the press.

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    sorry no8 but I fail to see how a drop goal is attacking rugby!! Maybe we should re-name them to coward goals

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    From the Australian this weekend

    "Coach John Connolly, on taking up his appointment early last year, identified the set pieces and tactical kicking as the two key areas in which the Wallabies most needed to improve. But he has been forced to operate this season without a kicking coach after Ben Perkins resigned in protest at the low-grade contract offered him by the Australian Rugby Union."

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    Whilst respecting all your opinions about the value of the drop goal - to win this World Cup the Wallabies need to be able to produce the odd Drop Goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thequeerone

    Whilst respecting all your opinions about the value of the drop goal - to win this World Cup the Wallabies need to be able to produce the odd Drop Goal

    I'm glad Matt Dunning is playing good rugby at the moment then, as he is also our drop kick specialist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thequeerone
    From the Australian this weekend

    "Coach John Connolly, on taking up his appointment early last year, identified the set pieces and tactical kicking as the two key areas in which the Wallabies most needed to improve. But he has been forced to operate this season without a kicking coach after Ben Perkins resigned in protest at the low-grade contract offered him by the Australian Rugby Union."

    full article
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...012430,00.html

    Whilst respecting all your opinions about the value of the drop goal - to win this World Cup the Wallabies need to be able to produce the odd Drop Goal
    and I have no disagreement with those lucky teams who can pull them out when required and are good at them, what I disagree with is (well the 3 points obviously) but people calling a drop goal attacking rugby.

    If you can't defend against something how can that same thing be classed as attacking ?

    Hitting the oppositions defence and trying for a try over and over is attacking rugby simply by the nature the other side has to defend over and over.

    To me throwing the ball 20 meters away from the opposition to attempt a drop goal, I do not class as an attack, it is a defensive way of scoring points!

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