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    Nuclear Wallabies spray raises Lions tour fears

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    Ex-England halfback Ben Youngs has questioned whether the British and Irish Lions should bother touring Australia next year after the Wallabies slumped to a record loss in Argentina on Sunday (AEST).

    The scarcely believable 67-27 Pumas mauling came after Joe Schmidt's side had led 20-3 after 30 minutes in the Santa Fe sun.

    It was the most points ever conceded by the Wallabies in a Test and was the second heaviest ever loss by margin.

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    And with the Bledisloe Cup kicking off next week in Sydney, the capitulation shattered the positive vibes from the previous victory in La Plata, where Ben Donaldson's late kick earned a 20-19 win.
    "I've been really patient with Australia because I think in Joe Schmidt they have an obviously proven, very, very good coach," Youngs said in conversation with fellow Test centurion Dan Cole on their For the Love of Rugby podcast.

    "But Argentina just blew them away. By the end, Argentina caught a kickoff and ran the length of the field and scored again.

    "I'm thinking like, blimey, that's dark - like proper dark - and it's just not good to see for Aussie rugby."

    Schmidt is on a two-year contract with Rugby Australia and the biggest focus is being competitive in next year's marquee Lions tour.

    The Wallabies are ranked ninth in the world and three of the four nations that make up the Lions are higher.

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    "I'm looking at it and thinking the Lions are better off going to South Africa and touring there," said Youngs, a member of the 2013 Lions squad that beat Australia 2-1.

    "I don't know, maybe we'll just do a reunion of 2013 and we'll just go f---ing do the business on them – get all the lads out of retirement.

    "Just bits to their game which are just so naive. There was a time when Argentina come around the corner – the game was proper tight at this point, (20-17 to Wallabies) – Argentina come around the corner, the replacement hooker (Josh Nasser) comes on and gets a great steal for Australia.

    "He's (Ben Donaldson) then presented the ball, they're like three metres from their line, so you're thinking right, just clear it.

    "The 10 has come in and instead of just, like getting it off himself and clearing the lines, boom he hits Rob Valetini up who's behind his own line. I don't know what he's expecting so he gets banged, bless him.

    "Argentina tackle him... I'm just looking at some of these basic parts of the game and I'm thinking, 'like, what are you doing? It's Test match rugby.' Test match rugby at its basic level is just get out of your bloody half and they can't even do that efficiently."

    Youngs predicted the Lions would have a "field day" Down Under.

    "Australia – great country and all that – but you're d---ing every blimmin' provincial side by 50, 60 points. Then you get into the Test matches and you run riot and have got it wrapped up after two games with an aggregate of 110 points.

    "I'm just looking at it and with less than a year out, and after the game at the weekend – I think Australia look worse than they did in the summer (under Eddie Jones)."

    The pile on didn't stop there.

    All Blacks great Mils Muliania - another respected Test centurion - blamed Australia's struggles for New Zealand taking a dip themselves.

    Muliaina said a lopsided Super Rugby landscape - Australia hasn't won a title since the Waratahs in 2014 - was not properly preparing the All Blacks for Test rugby.

    South Africa last played Super Rugby in 2020 before the pandemic hit.

    Their clubs now participate in northern hemisphere-based competitions.

    Argentina's Jaguares and Japan's Sunwolves were also given the boot from Super Rugby with the Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika now included.

    "I don't think our competitions are healthy," Muliaina said on The Breakdown, available to watch on Stan Sport.

    "Our competitions aren't turning our up-and-comers into quality, world class All Blacks.

    "They're going out there in pressure situations and that's where they're folding. You can't teach that at the lower grades because we're playing against the Aussies."

    With two rounds to play in the Rugby Championship, the All Blacks and Wallabies have both been knocked out of the title race.

    World champions South Africa (4-0) need just three more competition points in two games against Argentina to ensure they claim the trophy for the first time since 2019.

    "The South Africans have found their groove because they've gone overseas and played hardened rugby, but they've also got a style of rugby which also suits them," Muliaina said.

    "We've got to find that in our competitions. I don't agree that our competitions are as competitive as what they should be."

    The Rugby Championship resumes on September 21 in Sydney with the Bledisloe Cup also on the line.

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    Click bait and another ex player trying to keep himself relevant by trying to be a "Shock Jock".

    Poor form to see such DISREPECT from an ex player. (but sadly this is the world we live in now)

    This is not one of the values of our sport.

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    Ben Youngs is an arrogant f-wit. Always was. Mils would struggle to spell arrogant f-wit.

    It is good fuel on the fire. Players oughtta want to stick it to whoever plays 9 for the Lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzmania View Post
    Click bait and another ex player trying to keep himself relevant by trying to be a "Shock Jock".

    Poor form to see such DISREPECT from an ex player. (but sadly this is the world we live in now)

    This is not one of the values of our sport.
    To be fair, this was actually on his (highly regarded) rugby podcast, For The Love Of Rugby, hosed by England's two highest capped male internationals. Despite your comment that he is an "ex-player", both hosts are still current Premiership players, albeit Ben has now retired from England duty, but Dan is still playing test matches.

    It has quite a UK-centric view of the sport, but it is a very good podcast that covers a wide range of topics across the sport, including many "behind the scenes" pieces. It focuses a lot more on analysis of the game than transfer rumours etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    It is good fuel on the fire. Players oughtta want to stick it to whoever plays 9 for the Lions.
    That probably should be the Australian take on it.
    I thought, given my current pre-disposition against him, Waugh gave a reasonable rebuttal.
    While I always want the Wallabies to do well, I am not at judgement level yet, including whatever happens against the AB's.
    I mean yeah sure, if the AB's put 100 on us then "not flash", but so long as we remain competitive and on an improvement plane then my first judgement will be post Spring Tour and the second being about halfway through the SR season.
    This year is about getting a lot of rust out of the thinking and building the foundation.
    I believe we are in exceptionally good hands with Jumbuk and Uncle Mike particularly and in them I trust, not some (self edited) from England.

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    The Lions are going to straight up murder the Wallabies next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jargan83 View Post
    The Lions are going to straight up murder the Wallabies next year.
    Yes, as much as we don’t like hearing what these guys have to say it is definitely a concern at this stage that it could be a bloodbath. Hopefully we can get a lot better in 12 months and on our day playing at home we might step up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    That probably should be the Australian take on it.
    I thought, given my current pre-disposition against him, Waugh gave a reasonable rebuttal.
    While I always want the Wallabies to do well, I am not at judgement level yet, including whatever happens against the AB's.
    I mean yeah sure, if the AB's put 100 on us then "not flash", but so long as we remain competitive and on an improvement plane then my first judgement will be post Spring Tour and the second being about halfway through the SR season.
    This year is about getting a lot of rust out of the thinking and building the foundation.
    I believe we are in exceptionally good hands with Jumbuk and Uncle Mike particularly and in them I trust, not some (self edited) from England.
    We have to remember the foundation we're building from. Eddie himself said that he "had to blow everything up so others could fix it" Now, I'm not convinced that was the right way to go, but nobody can deny the explosion. Our foundation is rubble and we need to accept that the build will take a long time (possibly as Jargs suggests not until after we're murdered by the lions)

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    I'm realistic about where we sit in the pecking order just now but I'm going to reserve loss of all hope until after at least the home Bledisloe. The massacre in Argentina was impossible to line up alongside having beaten them the week before. Losing margins of 26 & 18 to the Bokke, while not ideal aren't full-on wrist-slashing material. Both of NZ & ZA are at least equal to the Lions so i'm not totally convinced or record blood baths - yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Losing margins of 26 & 18 to the Bokke, while not ideal aren't full-on wrist-slashing material. Both of NZ & ZA are at least equal to the Lions so i'm not totally convinced or record blood baths - yet.
    That's exactly it re SA, they are arguably the best National XV ever put on the park (certainly if you ask a Hairy Back...) and the Wallabies are genuinely 8th-9th in the world.
    For where the two teams sit in 2024 it is a reasonable scoreboard. It'd be akin to the Blues playing the Force this year in range of team talent.
    Yes, the 2025 Lions would thrash the 2024 Wallabies, but they aren't playing the 2024 Wallabies, they are playing the 2025 Wallabies and I believe it is premature to be writing them off yet.
    Somehow Schmidt needs to manufacture more time with them during the SR season, likely in Provincial pods, but perhaps around Aus v Aus fixtures as well. Likewise Mike Cron spending several day blocks throughout the SR season.
    But again, it is match time. It is imperative that the fringe players are getting match time through an Australia A program. Our competitors in Europe are getting up to 30 odd matches per season. If an Australian player isn't selected for the Wallabies each week there is a massive gap post SR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    Somehow Schmidt needs to manufacture more time with them during the SR season, likely in Provincial pods, but perhaps around Aus v Aus fixtures as well. Likewise Mike Cron spending several day blocks throughout the SR season.
    But again, it is match time. It is imperative that the fringe players are getting match time through an Australia A program. Our competitors in Europe are getting up to 30 odd matches per season. If an Australian player isn't selected for the Wallabies each week there is a massive gap post SR.
    This exactly the sort of centralisation that Aus rugby needs, if he can only stop his boss from using it to funnel every fit player to that basket case in Daceyville they might create enough trust to even do some of it.

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