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    Seven Force Players to Keep Training ahead of Winter Tests

    So according to the Roar:
    Joe Schmidt has selected 16 players from the two Super Rugby teams that have missed the finals to keep training ahead of this winter’s Tests.

    According to media reports the Kiwi coach has rewarded Kurtley Beale for a return to Super Rugby with Western Force by requiring him to turn to continue training.

    In a bold move Schmidt, appears to have turned his back on star winger Mark Nawaqanitawase, who will snub rugby at the end of this season to join the Sydney Roosters NRL team in 2025. Marky Mark was one of the Wallabies best in 2023 although his form has waned as part of the wooden spoon Waratahs

    Flyhalves Tane Edmed and Ben Donaldson have been named – although the leading contenders for the contentious No.10 spot – Noah Lolesio and Carter Gordon, plus Tom Lynagh, are sure to come into the reckoning after the finals.

    It makes sense that Schmidt would keep Edmed active with the No.10 jersey being such a key job – but it’s hard to imagine he’s any higher than fifth choice.

    Schmidt has previously suggested his squad for the Wales would be entirely made up of home based players.

    It was reported by the Sydney Morning Herald that Nic White, Bayley Kuenzle, Hamish Stewart, Carlo Tizzano and Izack Rodda were also included from the Force.

    The other Waratahs named were Dylan Pietsch, Charlie Gamble, Jake Gordon, Miles Amatosero, Langi Gleeson and Lalakai Foketi.

    An RA spokesman told The Roar that they had yet to lock in the timing of the announcement of Schmidt’s first squad with that dependent on how deep the Australian teams go into the Super Rugby finals.

    This is in keeping with previous years. As a guide, Eddie Jones named 33 players in his first full squad in April 2023 and 36 ahead of The Rugby Championship.

    The call up of Amatosero comes as just reward after his progress this season.

    The Waratahs brought the giant lock home from Clermont in France and he has made it clear being a Wallaby is front of mind.

    “Playing for Australia is all I want. I’ve always said, ‘Man, I wish one day I could be a Wallaby,’” he said.

    Schmidt has acknowledged that he needs to repair some damaged egos after Australia’s dismal World Cup campaign.

    “We are going to have some players who will have been put on the back foot by that and if we can grow through the Welsh games and then I know how tough the Rugby Championship is. I’ve worked my way through the last couple and they have been really competitive,” he said.

    “What we’ve got in front of us is really challenging and I’m excited about trying to help those young guys build their confidence and the repeatability of really positive performances.”

    Beale missed the Cup as he battled off field issues but Schmidt recently hinted that he would be keen to see what impact he could have as he aims to add to his 95 Test caps.

    “Kurtley’s just finding his feet again … but I’ve coached teams against Kurtley, and he’s shredded us,” said Schmidt.

    “I know what he’s capable of. I’ve seen it in (a) Test (in Melbourne) a few years ago with Ireland.

    “He scored from about 40 metres out, ripping a decent hole in our defence.

    “I think it will take a little bit of time for him to find his feet, particularly as it’s a new team (Force) for him as well. It takes a while to slot in and get comfortable.”

    Beale has made it clear he wants to add to his Test tally and has had discussions with Schmidt.

    “I think being out (for that period) has enabled me to put a lot of focus on my physical and mental wellbeing,” Beale said.

    “I’ve trained a lot, I did a lot of mental work in terms of making sure I’m in the right headspace.

    “And being away from the game, it actually made me appreciate the game a lot more, which is really nice.

    “I’m just absolutely loving being back playing rugby.”

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    I support all the inclusions, though I think Horton and Williams deserved a first Squad look at.
    To omit Williams for Gamble, Gleeson or particularly Amatosero is a misfire.

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    Seven Force Players to Keep Training ahead of Winter Tests

    I was wondering for a second there what say in matters C7 had in all of this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    I support all the inclusions, though I think Horton and Williams deserved a first Squad look at.
    To omit Williams for Gamble, Gleeson or particularly Amatosero is a misfire.
    I completely agree, I think Horton has been underappreciated - he's worked so hard all season, I can only think that its bulk that is letting him down as his set-piece, throw's and tackling have been immense.

    With Williams, I think we will see a lot more of him at 6 next season with the (hopefully) Rodda, Swain, Carter combo, and with that in mind I can understand why he hasn't been included this time around. I can certainly see a gold jersey in his future though.

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    9 of the wooden spoon winning, zero fucks giving Tahs out of 16 selected.

    Makes perfect sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    9 of the wooden spoon winning, zero fucks giving Tahs out of 16 selected.

    Makes perfect sense.
    Its not their fault they got the wooden spoon, they had such a tough season with injuries

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    9 of the wooden spoon winning, zero fucks giving Tahs out of 16 selected.

    Makes perfect sense.
    100% support omission of Nawaqanitawase though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    100% support omission of Nawaqanitawase though!
    yeah, that would send totally the wrong message if he was included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    9 of the wooden spoon winning, zero fucks giving Tahs out of 16 selected.

    Makes perfect sense.
    Wasn’t it 7 force and 7 tahs?

    Anyway great to see reward especially for Kuenzle, Stewart and Tizzano. I feel like Beale and Rodda picked a bit on reputation but glad they are there.
    Agree Williams and Horton deserved a shout

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Owen View Post
    Wasn’t it 7 force and 7 tahs?

    Anyway great to see reward especially for Kuenzle, Stewart and Tizzano. I feel like Beale and Rodda picked a bit on reputation but glad they are there.
    Agree Williams and Horton deserved a shout
    Just saw this article says 16 names, other articles have listed 14 players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Owen View Post
    Just saw this article says 16 names, other articles have listed 14 players
    Yes, after writing my gripe I saw an article that had seven of each.Still had Jake Gordon and no IFL so pretty shit selection imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Owen View Post
    Wasn’t it 7 force and 7 tahs?

    Anyway great to see reward especially for Kuenzle, Stewart and Tizzano. I feel like Beale and Rodda picked a bit on reputation but glad they are there.
    Agree Williams and Horton deserved a shout
    I think Rodda has been greta when he's on the field, some reputation, mostly performance. Beale is a reputation from the sounds, most rep, some performance.

    I think Horton missed as he is probably too small, and maybe looking for a bigger hooker. but i agree, his technical accuracy and work rate are right at the top.

    Really stoked for Kuenzle and Tizzano - mostly Force players, with Stewarts best coming out at the force.

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    The Rugby Heaven list includes Williams.

    Force-

    Kuenzel
    Donaldson
    Tizzano
    Stewart
    Rodda
    Beale
    White
    Williams

    Waratahs-

    Gamble
    Pietsch
    Gordon
    Foketi
    Gleeson
    Amotosero
    Edmed
    Reilly (have to admit, had to go and search who he was...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    Reilly (have to admit, had to go and search who he was...)
    Reilly played in the Centres for them a bit this year.

    Doesn't seem too deeply imbued with Tah stink, so might be worth the look.

    Williams is a good shout, I'm liking how much the Tah fanboys are going psycho about Hollway being left out, but I'm not so convinced, The selection makes me think that Joe is looking for genuine locks, not hybrids. if that's the case then Williams is likely a bit lucky, being not the tallest. OTOH, he has done a really good job of playing lock for much of this season and he might become the Scott Fardy type

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    if that's the case then Williams is likely a bit lucky, being not the tallest. OTOH, he has done a really good job of playing lock for much of this season and he might become the Scott Fardy type
    Without any stats to back it, I think he would be our best performed in the lineout this year.
    Mid year he was dominating, but came back a bit with the introduction/return of Carter/Rodda.

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