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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansie View Post
    I wonder what each of us would do if we were running the Force?
    Since every conceivable option has been tried, from sending them all to Sydney to Locking them in with local clubs, I can't imagine any of us would be trying anything that hasn't been seen before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    Since every conceivable option has been tried, from sending them all to Sydney to Locking them in with local clubs, I can't imagine any of us would be trying anything that hasn't been seen before.
    And whatever was tried would inevitably end up disadvantaging someone (or giving someone else a greater advantage!), who'll then proclaim to all how unfair it all is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansie View Post
    There is a massive cultural divide in our rugby here in WA. You have a professional organisation that has to be profitable, the pool from which this organisation can draw players in this state is small and in itself clubs are divided on loyalties. The community rugby clubs don't really care about the professional mob. They care more about who is poaching whom, who has bought whom and how unfairly they are treated. It's been like that since last century and will not change. The professional mob are between a rock and a hard place. I wonder what each of us would do if we were running the Force?
    Insofar as making players aligned to Div 2 clubs shift to top 6 Prem clubs after the Super season is finished, I can't see the need for such a requirement. Perhaps if it were leading into a season and one could argue they would get more consistent high grade footy under their belt, then absolutely. When is the next fixture? Will any of the players need match conditioning in the next couple of months for preparation?

    One could also see how Wanneroo in particular might feel aggrieved whereby their players had to travel but rarely (if ever) played and now they've been moved to other clubs for the back end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecky View Post
    Insofar as making players aligned to Div 2 clubs shift to top 6 Prem clubs after the Super season is finished, I can't see the need for such a requirement. Perhaps if it were leading into a season and one could argue they would get more consistent high grade footy under their belt, then absolutely. When is the next fixture? Will any of the players need match conditioning in the next couple of months for preparation?One could also see how Wanneroo in particular might feel aggrieved whereby their players had to travel but rarely (if ever) played and now they've been moved to other clubs for the back end of the season.
    I agree with that point.Additionally, wouldn't they be getting greater volumes of high level footy by going to New Zealand?But of course, the force were pilloried for doing that as well.Personally not a fan of forcing a bloke to suit up against his clubmates for dubious, if any, benefit.

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    Part of having force players at all the clubs is to help bring up the standard, to slightly increase the size of the pool of talent to pick from.

    If you can get that professional into your club, they bring in other skills, leadership and tips. They can assist with rugby knowledge and tactics.

    They can provide an accessibility to the professional game for younger players, and build the belief that it is possible for them to get there.

    It is more than a few more games under their belt, it is marketing and inspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palitu View Post
    Part of having force players at all the clubs is to help bring up the standard, to slightly increase the size of the pool of talent to pick from.

    If you can get that professional into your club, they bring in other skills, leadership and tips. They can assist with rugby knowledge and tactics.

    They can provide an accessibility to the professional game for younger players, and build the belief that it is possible for them to get there.

    It is more than a few more games under their belt, it is marketing and inspiration.
    Absolutely. However from a Professional Rugby Player's perspective he wants to make sure he is in the sights of clubs and agents where he can earn the biggest buck. As well as making it into the wallabies.

    Take Charlie Gamble - cut from Crusaders, headed to NSW, played subbies, stood out big time and probably the rising star in the Tahs this season. I wonder if he's back playing for his subbies club or Shute shield?

    Without $$$ and in a competitive winter sport environment, we have to think outside the square to grow our clubs, create our own standard whereby a professional player wants to play in.

    Our clubs need more volunteers and we have to tap into the huge number of retirees in their youthful 60's and 70's to help in administration, also find a mechanism for clubs to engage with Schools to coach and manage teams and provide a pathway. You don't have school teachers coaching any longer because of the red tape and time. Imagine building up to every club having a Colts side and feeding colts into senior grades. Have schools play big games under lights at club grounds on a Friday evening, parents and friends will be down to watch, word spreads around, clubs make a buck over the bar, retirees administering the accounts for the clubs put $$ aside for development, more kids play, the carrot of overseas tours made available ( AFL Colts cannot send teams to Asia, or elsewhere to play) If the numbers are there and attendances high, Stan may telecast a Schoolboys game - who knows?

    If we don't get innovative and collaboratively work together we will still have these discussions in the 22nd century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansie View Post
    Absolutely. However from a Professional Rugby Player's perspective he wants to make sure he is in the sights of clubs and agents where he can earn the biggest buck. As well as making it into the wallabies.

    Take Charlie Gamble - cut from Crusaders, headed to NSW, played subbies, stood out big time and probably the rising star in the Tahs this season. I wonder if he's back playing for his subbies club or Shute shield?

    Without $$$ and in a competitive winter sport environment, we have to think outside the square to grow our clubs, create our own standard whereby a professional player wants to play in.

    Our clubs need more volunteers and we have to tap into the huge number of retirees in their youthful 60's and 70's to help in administration, also find a mechanism for clubs to engage with Schools to coach and manage teams and provide a pathway. You don't have school teachers coaching any longer because of the red tape and time. Imagine building up to every club having a Colts side and feeding colts into senior grades. Have schools play big games under lights at club grounds on a Friday evening, parents and friends will be down to watch, word spreads around, clubs make a buck over the bar, retirees administering the accounts for the clubs put $$ aside for development, more kids play, the carrot of overseas tours made available ( AFL Colts cannot send teams to Asia, or elsewhere to play) If the numbers are there and attendances high, Stan may telecast a Schoolboys game - who knows?

    If we don't get innovative and collaboratively work together we will still have these discussions in the 22nd century.
    yeah, there is a lot more to it. would be good if they could get some strategies together to help run it.

    That said - the contracted people should be playing in Perth/aligned with a club, and actually make their way down there (at least once a week, when in perth).

    I think if the player is cut, fair enough go where you like.

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    Given they are talking about a seemingly spurious number of games that are only causing problems, maybe they'd be better having all the SR players showing up at/getting involved with juniors matches and schools on some sort of charm offensive. Might be better than just getting people's noses out of joint.

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