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    Quote Originally Posted by The InnFORCEr View Post
    I have updated the list in line with the Force website.

    It appears that although announced as signings for 2021 Julian Montoya and Toni Pulu are noted listed so I removed them for now.

    We have 36 players signed, but only two Hookers.
    Oh no, what happened to Julian Montoya and Toni Pulu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowCooked View Post
    Oh no, what happened to Julian Montoya and Toni Pulu?
    Interesting Question. When you google Julian Montoya, you get this


    but when you click the link, you get this



    Therefore I would assume something has happened between initial agreement and today. Not sure who jumped the gun or changed their mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSJ View Post
    The Brumbies squad for 2021 was confirmed yesterday.
    https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2021/0...gby-squad-2021

    Bit that I found interesting was "seven in the squad who grew up in the ACT."
    So I went to the 2021 Force list at the top of this forum, which by my calculations we can claim 5 grew up in WA. (Longbottom, Koteka, McDonald, Godwin and Lacey) If Jake Ball joins, we could possibly claim him as well as the 6th.

    Hopefully if the recent statements and plans of Twiggy and RugbyWA for player development and building the pathways come to fruition, that our number will increase a lot in future years. Of course the Brumbies had a 10 year Super rugby start on the Force, and then were not recently shut down for 3 years by the RA, and most of their squad transferred to other clubs.
    That doesn’t count the two Lonergan brothers who grew up just outside of the border went to boarding school in Goulburn. They have played all their Rugby in the ACT comps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The InnFORCEr View Post
    I've also added Jake Ball as he will be here at the end of March, so that's 37 signed
    Brumbies squad has 36 signed so I am guessing some of those in our squad will form part of an EPS too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowCooked View Post
    Oh no, what happened to Julian Montoya and Toni Pulu?
    Looks like a mistake. I heard they are both in quarantine

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    Quote Originally Posted by wholetruth View Post
    Looks like a mistake. I heard they are both in quarantine
    Apart from the fact that there was, at one point, a page hosted on the Western Force team list for Montoya (as evidenced by a Google search) that no longer exists (as evidenced by following the link)

    It is possible that is a coincidence I admit, however it's a pretty significant coincidence. I wonder what the actual situation is?

    Perhaps it's just about a contract not being finalised in some way, or perhaps RA are arguing the toss about us having a hooker that (IMHO) toweled up anything Australia fielded in the Tri Nations series.

    Or maybe my tinfoil hat is getting too tight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    Apart from the fact that there was, at one point, a page hosted on the Western Force team list for Montoya (as evidenced by a Google search) that no longer exists (as evidenced by following the link)

    It is possible that is a coincidence I admit, however it's a pretty significant coincidence. I wonder what the actual situation is?

    Perhaps it's just about a contract not being finalised in some way, or perhaps RA are arguing the toss about us having a hooker that (IMHO) toweled up anything Australia fielded in the Tri Nations series.

    Or maybe my tinfoil hat is getting too tight.
    I like bashing RA as much as the next person but in this case I think that tinfoil hat might be a bit too tight


    'We should help out': McLennan wants giant-killing Pumas stars in Australian Super teams

    Rugby Australia chair Hamish McLennan has thrown the doors open for more Argentinian players to join Australian Super Rugby clubs in the wake of the Pumas' historic win against the All Blacks ...

    McLennan - who has previously spoken about his desire to bolster the strength of Super Rugby by bringing more foreign players into the fold - endorsed the Force's initiative.

    "I applaud the Western Force for making those moves. We should help (Argentina) out and help create the world's best Super Rugby competition," McLennan told the Herald.
    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-u...16-p56f3q.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by volvo View Post
    I like bashing RA as much as the next person but in this case I think that tinfoil hat might be a bit too tight


    'We should help out': McLennan wants giant-killing Pumas stars in Australian Super teams

    Rugby Australia chair Hamish McLennan has thrown the doors open for more Argentinian players to join Australian Super Rugby clubs in the wake of the Pumas' historic win against the All Blacks ...

    McLennan - who has previously spoken about his desire to bolster the strength of Super Rugby by bringing more foreign players into the fold - endorsed the Force's initiative.

    "I applaud the Western Force for making those moves. We should help (Argentina) out and help create the world's best Super Rugby competition," McLennan told the Herald.
    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-u...16-p56f3q.html
    here is the rest of that article for those behind the paywall..... Volvo - I hope you don't mind mate.

    Rugby Australia chair Hamish McLennan has thrown the doors open for more Argentinian players to join Australian Super Rugby clubs in the wake of the Pumas' historic win against the All Blacks.

    In the days after Argentina's emotional 25-15 win over New Zealand, talk has turned to the South American nation's future in southern hemisphere rugby.

    International travel restrictions will see Australia and New Zealand play local Super Rugby for another year in 2021, and with South African teams heading north to play in the PRO14, the Jaguares are without a competition.

    A healthy contingent of Mario Ledesma's side ply their trade for European clubs, but there is also a large group of Argentinian players who run the risk of playing no rugby until July's inbound Tests, or even the Rugby Championship thereafter.

    The UAR advised Jaguares players earlier this year to take deals offshore if they could find them, and the Force have already signed star halfback Tomas Cubelli and Julian Montoya. And rival Australian Super Rugby clubs expect the Western Australian franchise to add more Argentinians to the fold in coming weeks.

    McLennan - who has previously spoken about his desire to bolster the strength of Super Rugby by bringing more foreign players into the fold - endorsed the Force's initiative.

    "I applaud the Western Force for making those moves. We should help (Argentina) out and help create the world's best Super Rugby competition," McLennan told the Herald.

    "I spoke to Gus Pichot on Sunday, who was obviously thrilled (with Argentina's win on Saturday).

    "He's a good man and he has gone to great lengths to support his players. We should support him."

    McLennan also extended an olive branch to South Africa.

    While a large chunk of the Springboks' World Cup winning squad now play in Europe, the remainder of the Super Rugby talent who do not wish to follow the five franchises to Europe's Pro14 competition are welcome in Australia.

    "We offer (South African Rugby CEO) Jurie Roux the same courtesy," McLennan said.

    "We will take some players from South Africa, if we can."

    Rugby Australia's current foreign player rules are flexible for each Australian franchise.

    Head office determine potential signings on a case-by-case basis. The Force are afforded the most leniency when applying to have foreign players feature in their Super Rugby squad, followed by the Brumbies and Rebels.

    Traditional heartland states NSW and Queensland are not afforded the same luxury.

    That's not currently a major concern for the Reds - who are understood to have already spent the majority of what will be a reduced salary cap next season - but sources have told the Herald the Waratahs are open to bringing Argentinian players to Sydney, given the exodus of experienced players from the club.

    The Jaguares' favourite pit stop throughout Super Rugby is in Sydney - when they stay at Coogee's Crowne Plaza - and superstar forward Pablo Matera has previously spoken about his desire to one day play for the Waratahs.

    "He loves being here, he loves surfing, he would love to play over here for the Waratahs," Ledesma said of Matera last year.

    "He is going to Paris after the World Cup but I think he would love to play here.

    "The dream is to play for Argentina, obviously, but if he had to choose a franchise it would be this one (Waratahs)."

    But Waratahs fans desperate for a big signing shouldn't get too carried away. The Pumas skipper is contracted to the Paris based European giant Stade Francais until the end of 2022.

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    Argentina's second franchise gets cut as Jaguares find new home

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    Perhaps the biggest losers from the relatively sudden reformating of Super Rugby are Argentina and, more specifically, the Jaguares.

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    Alongside Japan’s Sunwolves, the Jaguares joined Super Rugby in 2016 as the competition’s first Argentinian representation. While it took a couple of seasons for the players to adjust to Super Rugby, the Jaguares achieved a second-place finish in 2019, highlighting the obvious potential the Americas have to offer the rugby world.

    In the post-COVID world, however, the Jaguares suddenly found themselves without a home.

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    In 2022, New Zealand and Australia will join forces to create a new competition which will see the 10 Australiasian sides joined by Moana Pasifika and a Fiji XV.

    Meanwhile, South Africa’s four Super Rugby teams will compete with the best sides from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and Italy in a revised PRO14 competition, with the inaugural event coined the Rainbow Cup.

    Before COVID reared its head, SANZAAR had already announced the culling of the Sunwolves while the Cheetahs and Kings, who were cut from Super Rugby following 2017, are the other casualties of the new competition structures in the Southern Hemisphere, with their places in the PRO14 being ceded to the stronger South African teams.

    It’s the loss of the Jaguares that will have most rugby stakeholders across the world shaking their heads, however. Having made the World Cup knockout stages on three consecutive occasions from 2007 to 2015, the Jaguares’ addition to Super Rugby was long overdue and after finally starting to realise their potential, their future was suddenly stolen from them.

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    It’s not all doom and gloom for the Argentinians, however, with the side now set to compete in the Super Liga Americana de Rugby, as reported by A Pleno Rugby.

    The SLAR was set to kick-off their inaugural season in 2020 right when the severity of the coronavirus pandemic became apparent, and just one round of the South American competition was able to be completed.

    The Jaguares will now compete alongside teams from Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Paraguay and Uruguay under the guise of the Jaguares XV – the same team that went undefeated in South Africa’s Currie Cup Division 1 in 2019.


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    While it’s good news for the Jaguares brand, it’s a disappointing turn of events for Los Ceibos, the Cordoba-based Argentinian side who were a part of last year’s competition, who have been replaced.

    The level of competitiveness is also naturally a step down from Super Rugby and many of the Jaguares players have signed for overseas clubs. Captain Jeronimo de la Fuente, as well as Emiliano Boffelli, Bautista Delguy, Marcos Kremer and Guido Petti, have shifted to France while Agustin Creevy, Santiago Carreras, Matias Orlando and Matias Moroni will play their rugby in England.

    There will still be some Argentinian representation in Super Rugby, however, with Julian Montoya, Santiago Medrano, Tomas Lezana, Tomas Cubeli and Domingo Miotti putting pen to paper for the Western Force.

    The Force were brought into 2020’s Super Rugby AU competition, alongside Australia’s four existing Super clubs, and will again compete in the 2021 iteration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valzc View Post
    There will still be some Argentinian representation in Super Rugby, however, with Julian Montoya, Santiago Medrano, Tomas Lezana, Tomas Cubeli and Domingo Miotti putting pen to paper for the Western Force.
    Let's hope that is still true!

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    Believe there was a prob with an Argie hooker’s wife’s visa. We may not be seeing Montoya in the squad.

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    If anyone can post it, at the end of today's story in the Sunday Times about our new CEO there is something about Montoya and a visa problem and Kearney's arrival possibly delayed because he is in quarantine in Brisbane.
    It's on the West website

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    Quote Originally Posted by wholetruth View Post
    If anyone can post it, at the end of today's story in the Sunday Times about our new CEO there is something about Montoya and a visa problem and Kearney's arrival possibly delayed because he is in quarantine in Brisbane.
    It's on the West website
    Somebody posted on here about a week ago that Kearney was 4 days into his quarantine in Brisbane, So his 14 days must be nearly up in Brisbane and now he is has going to have do another 14 days in Perth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSJ View Post
    Somebody posted on here about a week ago that Kearney was 4 days into his quarantine in Brisbane, So his 14 days must be nearly up in Brisbane and now he is has going to have do another 14 days in Perth.
    Surely he wouldn’t need to go from one stint to another if he tests negative before he gets on the plane and wears appropriate PPE during the transit from the Bris hotel to Perth airport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Surely he wouldn’t need to go from one stint to another if he tests negative before he gets on the plane and wears appropriate PPE during the transit from the Bris hotel to Perth airport?
    You wouldn't think so would you but I did read earlier in The West that they are waiting on the Health Department

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