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    What are people’s thoughts on RC’s press conference this morning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    What are people’s thoughts on RC’s press conference this morning?
    “ it's put us in a place where we do have certainty and there won't be any money taken out of community rugby”

    That’s the kicker! Sorry RC is just talking BS! Community rugby receives bugger all in the scheme of things that line should read
    “ we can keep paying ourselves all this dosh in this cushy job and you can’t touch us!”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNOB View Post
    “ it's put us in a place where we do have certainty and there won't be any money taken out of community rugby”

    That’s the kicker! Sorry RC is just talking BS! Community rugby receives bugger all in the scheme of things that line should read
    “ we can keep paying ourselves all this dosh in this cushy job and you can’t touch us!”
    You might be correct Snob, but they aren't lying.

    It's difficult to take any money out of Community Rugby when there is no money in Community Rugby at all.

    based upon that single truth, every decision they've made is effective in "not taking money out of Community Rugby"

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    Who won? Who was smiling as they came out of court? There's your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travelling_gerry View Post
    Who won? Who was smiling as they came out of court? There's your answer.
    The lawyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fulvio sammut View Post
    The lawyers.
    And Izzy it seems

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    Quote Originally Posted by travelling_gerry View Post
    Who won? Who was smiling as they came out of court? There's your answer.
    Izzy got his money. Uncle Cam, Castle and Joyce don’t get cross examined by ACL funded solicitors. I am disappointed as I would have liked the three of them get destroyed under oath. It has already come out that individual players from the Wallabies have signed affidavits in support of Folau.

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    I have just read Rhys Bosley’s article about stop posting constantly negativity in the press about the RA admin. I like Rhys but we saw what happened when there was complete silence and no accountability.

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    Fears Israel Folau payout could trigger Super Rugby club collapse

    By ELIAS VISONTAY

    Rugby leaders are worried the governing body’s alleged multimillion-dollar payout to Israel Folau could put some Super Rugby clubs at risk of collapse, as Rugby Australia chief Raelene Castle defended the decision to settle the case as being cheaper for the game.

    As Ms Castle on Thursday labelled rumours of an $8m settlement as “wildly inaccurate”, Rugby WA chairman John Edwards said most Super Rugby teams “break even at best” and clubs would “be on edge” as the game’s financial state hinged on a broadcast deal in 2021.

    “If they’ve carved out a reasonable amount for Izzy, I’d say there’d be a few clubs at risk now,” Mr Edwards said.

    “Anything out of the bank that goes to Izzy will have an impact on the way the game is played.”

    Mr Edwards said Super Rugby clubs often relied on further financial help on top of the approximately $5m they each receive from Rugby Australia.

    However, he acknowledged that Western Australia, without a Super Rugby team since the Western Force lost its licence in 2017, would be less affected. Mr Edwards quit the Rugby Australia board in the wake of that decision.

    “We’ve been told all along the grants they provide for the grassroots clubs in Western Australia won’t be affected. Hopefully that’s not impacted,” he said.

    “The Super Rugby clubs are in trouble more often than not … so they would be concerned what this means for them.

    “The last time I looked, Rugby Australia had about $8m in treasury and they were staring down another loss-making year. They really only have one more year of revenue from the current broadcasting arrangement and still haven’t secured the next one.”

    The Australian understands Rugby Australia agreed to compensate Folau several million dollars under the terms of the settlement that took 15 hours to negotiate this week. Neither side has confirmed the amount.

    While a Rugby Australia spokesman said earlier this week there had been “a parting of the way” between Folau and the governing body, he could still play for an overseas club.

    The Australian also understands that, while Rugby Australia must be a third party that signs any professional contract between a player and a club in Australia, if the makeup of Rugby Australia’s leadership drastically changes in the future the attitude to approving such a contract could change.

    Ms Castle on Thursday defended her position as the head of the game and argued Rugby Australia had not backed down from its values of inclusiveness.

    “At every stage (Rugby Australia) looked to … ensure the very, very key value of inclusiveness stood up,” she said.

    “We didn’t back down … we needed to give the game cost certainty and the feedback we were getting from our rugby community was that they wanted this matter settled.

    “No, we didn’t get it wrong. At the end of the day we stood up for the values of Rugby Australia, the person that chose to breach the code of conduct was found guilty and his contract was ultimately terminated because of that. That stands up and continues to say, ‘this is an inclusive sport’.

    “There won’t be any money taken out of community rugby and we won’t have to make any changes to the budget situation.”

    Roger Davis, chairman of the NSW Waratahs Super Rugby club, said the settlement was “a good compromise” but acknowledged there would be some financial cost to Rugby Australia.

    “There was a potential $14m cost if it went to trial … That’s gambling with the future of the cost here,” he said.

    “We will never be able to please everyone. Whatever cost was incurred, I think is mitigated by the upside that we now have a clean slate.”
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    A couple of inaccuracies in there

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    How can Castle say they didn't get it wrong when its been clusterf**ck right from the very start of giving Izzy an overinflated contract (like Hooper)! Let's stick our heads in the sand again and pretend its all going to be ok. FFS!

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    Seriously, who cares? Worry about it when the GRR Tongan team want to sign him, otherwise what they get up to is really none of our business or problem. Bigger, more important issues on the go, like Christmas...

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    Mr Edwards said Super Rugby clubs often relied on further financial help on top of the approximately $5m they each receive from Rugby Australia.

    However, he acknowledged that Western Australia, without a Super Rugby team since the Western Force lost its licence in 2017, would be less affected.
    That'll be because Western Australia can't receive less help than that already given by RA (ie, 2/5ths of f***-all!)

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    THE AUSTRALIAN

    Game over for rugby’s disastrous head office

    2 HOURS AGO DECEMBER 5, 2019 • H 1 COMMENT
    I said last week that the “dysfunctional nonsense” about Australian rugby would only end when the administration is replaced in its entirety. Surely they must go now if the game is bigger than the individual.
    After all the braggadocio on the Israel Folau affair, Rugby Australia have been forced into a sensible but humiliating settlement. Only an insensitive, incompetent and virtue-signalling outfit could have brought rugby to this point. And now they have to fork out more millions.
    It was always the case that the fake bravura of Rugby Australia would end in two words — apology and money.

    And surely the reports can’t be right that Rugby Australia, via another Scott Johnson unilateral escapade, are going to fork out $1.8m for a rugby league winger. Will this madness never end?
    As I said last week, Fox Sports have vacated the broadcast field with a potential loss to Rugby Australia of $30m. This administrative shambles is leading us into an economic tsunami.

    READ MORE: Janet Albrechtsen on why Raelene Castle should resign
    In Rugby Australia’s published Strategic Plan, they articulated that, by 2020, the Wallabies would be the leading national team brand.
    Well, the independent research group True North recently released their Emotional Connection research, which ranks the Wallabies sixth in the nation’s most loved representative winter teams.

    Sixth also happens to be our current world ranking. Just ahead of Japan.
    So the Wallabies are ranked behind the Matildas, the Socceroos, the Wallaroos, the men’s T20 cricket side and the Australia women’s rugby sevens teams.

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    Yet Raelene Castle gives an exclusive interview with this newspaper a week ago rejecting any suggestion the code is in crisis and insisting she will “remain at the helm for at least the next four years as she completes a strategic overhaul”. The lady is surely delusional. Can someone get a grip?

    As one senior sporting official wrote to me: “Rugby is dying a death of a thousand cuts. Attendances, viewership, sponsorship, the interest in Tests and Super Rugby games — all at an all-time low. Success has deserted us … we haven’t won the Bledisloe Cup since 2002; in the 23 years of Super Rugby, Australian teams have won only four times.”
    True North are not making it up. But it could be worse. Their focus was on winter sports and doesn’t include the Boomers and other summer sports. The Wallabies may even be as low as No 10.

    READ MORE: Wayne Smith on how the Folau case could ripple for years
    That’s a far cry from the Strategic Plan target of No 1 Australian sports team brand.

    In any sensible corporate world such a gap between aspiration and reality would see management booted out.

    The Folau victory is surely final proof that our game is on its knees, thanks to arrogant and inadequate leadership. We must move now to rescue the situation. Constitutional change is urgent.
    The former Wallaby and now successful businessman Damien Frawley has made such a call.

    He is rightly saying we must immediately change the way the board of Rugby Australia is nominated and chosen.
    Currently, the chairman Cameron Clyne is chair of the nominations committee that appoints

    Board members. The people who should choose the board are the members of the game. The grassroots.
    What is wrong with giving them a say? As it stands, the board is a private club for Clyne and those he deems fit to join his so-called elite group. There is no way someone genuinely in touch with grassroots rugby can be elected to the board.

    Compare New Zealand. Their board is made up of appointed executives and elected board members. The elected members are from the smaller, provincial unions. This guarantees that the grassroots have a major say in the way the game is run.

    Clyne must step aside and take the rest with him. But they are already imposing on a new administration the consequences of their appalling judgment.

    A discredited outfit appoints the director of rugby, who reportedly signs a rugby league winger for $1.8m; confirms a Kiwi in the national coaching job who apparently is going to bring others of his ilk with him.
    How can this be in the best interests of our game?
    Castle and Clyne have been front and centre of catastrophe after catastrophe.

    As I said last week, unacceptable results on the field and unacceptable results off the field.

    As David Leckie, the former Nine and Seven Network boss, who currently has an active role in club rugby, has said: “Make no mistake, rugby in Australia is in a very precarious position right now. The Rugby Australia board has sat back and allowed this to happen.” That was last week.
    Now we have the Folau fiasco and a rugby league winger being made a millionaire.

    Foxtel CEO Patrick Delany, who knows his sport, fired a warning shot to Rugby Australia when he told them to “get realistic” about the value of their game.
    This is shorthand for saying you are not worth what you think you are worth.

    Was it not Castle who was responsible for the ludicrous “back-ended” contracts at the Canterbury Bulldogs that still cripple that rugby league club and its playing roster?

    She was behind the signing of the Kiwi international Kieran Foran and that has also been a financial disaster. And then, backed by her board, she alienated one of the country’s most gifted players, tossed Folau on the rugby scrapheap and now has seemingly outsourced the Wallabies coaching department to the Esportif rugby agents and Scott Johnson.
    Basically, the situation now is that if you are an average Kiwi coach or administrator there is a home for you at Rugby Australia.
    We are behaving like a second-tier rugby country with no World Cup pedigree.

    Why should we allow those who run the game to mimic Scotland and Ireland?

    So Johnson is the new rugby “godfather.” The coaches answer to Johnson, who has had no success as a coach.
    As I have said previously, he should not be a selector nor should he be appointing Wallabies coaches.

    Get out and do the hard stuff, focus on coach and player development. But more importantly his association with the rugby agent Esportif needs to be explained. Why are we getting all these coaches who are represented by Esportif?

    New Waratahs coach Rob Penney and Wallabies coach Dave Rennie are Kiwi coaches appointed to the best coaching jobs in Australia, managed by Esportif.
    What must our own coaches think, many of whom have real ability, who coach overseas because of the lack of opportunities in Australia.
    As it stands, the only Australian head coach in Super Rugby is at the Brumbies.
    I do not want to use words loosely, but these coaches take what they can and move on when it suits them.
    Daryl Gibson and Andrew Hore both left the Waratahs before the end of their contracts and both were represented by Esportif.

    We are now repeating the same behaviour and expecting a different result.

    I repeat: no foreign coach has ever won a World Cup.
    Have Castle and Clyne and the board done their homework? Was Rennie head coach of the Chiefs when the 2016 end-of-season celebrations known as “Mad Monday” created a national scandal in New Zealand?
    He departed to coach Glasgow.
    The NZRFU were unhappy with his handling of the matter.
    Rennie chose to back his players when the mood in New Zealand rugby felt that the behaviour of players should have ended with some form of tangible discipline.

    Where is due diligence, not the strong suit of Rugby Australia.
    With the Folau judgment and the broadcasting rights debacle, we face urgent financial concerns.

    As a result, we have no realistic alternative but to accept the economic pull of the Northern Hemisphere clubs.

    If we drop Giteau’s Law and allow players to play in Japan and Europe, we will save the game enormous amounts of money spent on central contracts.
    The free-market model has been adopted by South Africa. I think they won the World Cup.

    Faf de Klerk has been playing his rugby in Manchester for years. He was outstanding for South Africa in the World Cup. He is most probably the best scrum-half in the world.

    What is wrong with letting the rich clubs of Japan and France take on the cost of employing the players they want, and we will pay them a Test match fee for playing for the Wallabies.
    Let’s face it, with broadcast revenue about to be slashed, something has to give.
    I would ditch the Super Rugby model.

    The cost of international travel is chewing up too many resources for too little return.

    Andrew Forrest is growing his Rapid Rugby competition in Asia at the same time as Rugby Australia has abandoned Japan.

    Who do you think is smarter, Forrest, the multi-billionaire entrepreneur or Clyne and Castle?
    Anyway, we may have no choice. When the new broadcast deal gets done, Super Rugby will be too expensive.

    Rugby Australia will not be able to close down another franchise without a full-scale revolt from the rugby public.

    We should grow up and establish our own national competition.
    Let’s go head-to-head with the NRL, the AFL and the A-League.

    People want to see regular rugby in prime time slots every weekend. They definitely do not care about games played in South Africa at 2am.
    Sell our product on free-to-air as well as on cable television and via streaming.


    As I have said, we currently have an average of just 70,000 viewers for Super Rugby games in Australia. The NRL and AFL have almost a million viewers per game between them.

    We should have the courage to go after a bigger slice of this market. Japan and New Zealand are both in our time zone. There may be opportunities to grow a new competition in those markets.

    There was no Super Rugby until cable television; but if the regular and loyal viewers are not there, we simply cannot afford to run a competition destroyed by the tyranny of distance.

    Rugby Australia are desperate to be seen to do something. So they are now claiming they have signed up all the schoolboy stars of 2019. That is rubbish.
    Arguably, the best two schoolboy strike players, Joseph Suaalii and Tolu Koula, have been signed by Souths and Manly NRL teams respectively.

    In fact, Joseph is still in Year 10, earning around $80,000 a season as a contracted Souths Junior.

    Tolu is currently in Year 11 earning around $60,000 a season as a Manly Junior.
    He is the boy who smashed the GPS 100m record this year, running 10.58 seconds.
    Both lost to rugby!

    If the money spent paying our players Test match fees of thousands of dollars for a couple of minutes on the field, on top of their contracted salaries, whether they win or lose, was spent on players of the future, we might have something to boast about.

    The opportunities to revive our game are endless.
    But at year’s end, the report card says those in control are fresh out of ideas and the judgment bucket is empty.

    Surely you can only pull the wrong rein so badly so many times before they change the jockey on the horse.
    If you do what you did last year, you will get last year’s results. And here we are. Time to start afresh.
    The initiatives outlined in this column, over many months, are designed to make our game great again. It can be done.

    It cannot be done with the current millstones around Australian rugby’s neck.
    Have a happy Christmas and here’s hoping for a much better 2020.

    ALAN JONES, RADIO BROADCASTER

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