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    Alan Jonesí latest rant

    Devoid of care culture RA digs itself deeper  ALAN JONES

    “The first law of Holes is an adage which states that “if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging”.

    Cameron Clyne and Raelene Castle still don’t seem to understand that digging a hole makes it deeper and therefore harder to get back out.

    The expression is a metaphor that when, in an untenable position, it is best to stop carrying on and making the situation worse.

    Am I the only person imploring Rugby Australia to stop digging?

    In the wake of the inability of Rugby Australia to reach agreement through a Fair Work Commission conciliation hearing last Friday, Cameron Clyne finally broke cover, speaking to what he believed would be a sympathetic journalist at Nine newspapers.

    He argued how offended he was that people would dare to suggest that Rugby Australia’s decision-making would be influenced by sponsors.

    But in the first two paragraphs of the story in which Clyne made his debut on the Folau affair, he argued that he wanted to make it clear that if they hadn’t taken this action against Folau, they wouldn’t have had any sponsors.
    Is this man a complete fool or does he think we are?
    He must have thought he would grow hairs on his chest by saying that the administration had no option but to sack Israel Folau.

    And then this, “(the alternative) would be that we would have no sponsors at all because no sponsor has indicated they would be willing to be associated with social media posts of that sort and that includes government because we have also heard from them … We would also potentially be in litigation with employees who are gay and who would say we are not providing a workplace that is safe or respectful.”
    You get the picture! The hole gets deeper.

    Any number of legal entities have argued that Clyne has just opened yet another legal avenue for the very smart outfit representing Israel Folau.

    Put simply, if Rugby Australia breached its contract with Folau, were sponsors a powerful and influential force behind the breach?

    As this newspaper reported last Monday, Sydney barrister Jeffrey Phillips SC — who specialises in employment law — told The Australian that, “having read Mr Clyne’s comments, there was a real possibility of another legal Ave for Folau’s team. He suggested that if Rugby Australia breached its contract with Folau by sacking him, then sponsors induced that breach of contract.”

    Jeffrey Phillips was quoted as saying, “If it be the case that sponsors or even the government, has placed any pressure on Rugby Australia to terminate his contract, then that raises prospects of interference with contractual relations and aspects of Australian Competition and Consumer Law, in particular, Section 45D, dealing with secondary boycotts.”

    May I speculate that if sponsors were concerned with what Rugby Australia might or might not do in relation to their best player quoting the Bible outside the workplace, then they must surely now be on the hotline to Clyne and Co asking legitimately why Clyne has opened his mouth and dragged them into this unseemly mess.
    An outstanding editorial in this paper on Tuesday argued accurately, “Support for freedom of speech is tested only when you defend its use by someone with whom you disagree.”

    But, in a telling and pointed observation, the editorial argued succinctly, “Did Rugby Australia examine Folau’s bookshelf when it recruited him to play rugby? Of course not and why would any sensible person assume that a player’s social media post represents not only his team, but Rugby Australia and all its corporate sponsors. And how exactly did an Instagram post, composed of words long familiar from the best-known book of our civilisation, render the RA workplace ‘unsafe’.”

    Of course, Clyne and Castle talk about diversity and inclusiveness, yet they exclude Israel Folau because someone, unknown, outside Rugby Australia, disagrees with his Christian beliefs.

    The response from “quiet Australians” demonstrates quite clearly that not only are corporations and sporting administrations out of step with community values, but also, they are appropriating to themselves the mantle of moral custodians which in itself is an exercise in arrogance and self-importance.

    Greg Jones of Kogarah wrote tellingly this week, “Rugby Australia created this fiasco when its administrators decided to align with one side in the campaign for marriage equality. Sexuality and marriage have absolutely nothing to do with rugby, or aviation for that matter, and professional sports codes and corporates are not elected or appointed to promote partisan social values or political objectives. When Rugby Australia stepped outside its remit, it knowingly campaigned against the values and standards of some of its players who it then banned from participating in the same debate.”

    Not that you would know it, when confronted by the all-consuming incompetence of our rugby administration, but the Crusaders look set to take out their third consecutive Super Rugby title.

    We have much to learn, not just in the Folau affair, but in rugby in general from this franchise. There is a reason why they’ve won nine of the 13 Super Rugby finals they have played in since the game went professional in 1996.
    There is a reason they have only missed the playoffs five times in 23 seasons.

    What happens with the Crusaders on the paddock is a matter for another column; and much deserves to be said. But this success comes when people genuinely care for one another and the Crusaders’ man management is spot on.
    I used to challenge my Wallabies with the rhetorical question, “How will you know when we are genuinely a team?”

    I would then answer for them my own question. “You’re a team when you line up for the kick-off and you know that you would like the person either side of you to be the godfather to your children.”
    Who in Rugby Australia cultivates this culture of care?

    We know the Folau story. Well, what about the Sevu Reece story?
    At the beginning of the season, the Crusaders gave a lifeline to this young Fijian winger. He had been involved in a domestic violence incident. He was run out of the North Island of New Zealand and had a contract in Europe torn up.
    The Crusaders gave him a last chance.

    In the space of a few months, Sevu Reece has become a sensation on the wing. I have no doubt that one day soon, he will be an All Black.

    This doesn’t happen by chance. His life has been turned around because the leadership of the Crusaders offered compassion, care and a new discipline.

    Early in May this year, two of their backs were accused in South Africa of misconduct. I understand they were out late, drinking. The matter was quickly dealt with by the Crusaders and New Zealand Rugby. The two organisations responded superbly. There was contrition on one side and compassion on the other.

    The coach Scott Robertson summed it up, “We have good people and we will support them.” He backed his team’s culture.

    Folau is a very good person, abandoned.

    We have people playing rugby league and rugby union in this country who have abused women, traded in drugs, stripped naked on pub balconies, gouged players’ eyes, have driven vehicles when drunk — they continue to play.

    A young Polynesian Christian quotes from his Bible and he is banned for life.
    The great thing about our Anzac brothers across the ditch is that they responded in the cases cited above with consideration and consistency.

    The young men the Crusaders dealt with were known to be good citizens, so they were forgiven. No dramas. I am certain the rugby public barely knew. It is this kind of management, tough love, that produces the results that are now identified with the Crusaders. It’s called leadership.

    There is very little at the top of Australian rugby that commends itself. The chairman is an ex-banker who has shown his true colours in the way he “managed” the Force fiasco and the coaching restructure. Stephen Larkham became the fall-guy for the worst Wallabies season in living memory. The Board is a reflection of the Chairman. Political correctness is well and truly alive at Rugby HQ.

    We raced to be the first football code to have a female CEO. Nothing wrong with a female CEO. But more in depth due diligence would have suggested this was not the person and so we see the Israel Folau matter handled appallingly.

    The administration keep digging the hole.

    Where the Crusaders have been calm, measured and proportional, Castle acted with haste and no proportionality. Rub your best player out for life.

    Folau, a Pentecostal Evangelical Christian, quoted from the Bible and apparently upset a sponsor.
    He has received zero support from Rugby Australia or the Waratahs. Instead, they want to persecute him and run him out of the game so they can keep Qantas on the front of the Wallaby jersey.

    Miranda Devine, writing for The Daily Telegraph, summed it up best when she said recently, “Clyne is in a battle he doesn’t understand and is too arrogant to realise that corporate Australia doesn’t decide on morality for the rest of us … now the Australian Christian Lobby has joined the battle and quiet Australians have been roused to donate $2m in one day to Folau’s legal defence. Clyne is outgunned. All he has left is to whinge that he has done nothing wrong. The only way the mess can be resolved is with a complete clean-out of Rugby Australia and a quick settlement with Folau. Then rugby can get back to the only battle that matters in sport, the game.”

    Spot on. Exactly what the rugby family are saying. But then, when has this Board, in recent memory, represented the rugby family?”

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    Love that he does these articles every week and that Clyne is showed up as the tosser he is but just sad nothing ever changes

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    Someone needs to put a bullet in Alan Jones. He adds no value to society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jules View Post
    Love that he does these articles every week and that Clyne is showed up as the tosser he is but just sad nothing ever changes
    Sorry Jules; cant agree. Jones has twisted what Clyne said to suit his agenda. It's his long time MO. Saying that RA had regard for what it's many sponsors expect in return for their association with the game or that no sponsor had said they would like to be associated with Folau's homophobia is a million miles from the assertion that RA was blackmailed into action under threat from them. AND Folau's paraphrasing of the Bible is definitely not quoting the Bible as Jones and his kind continually say. Jone's was at one time a speech writer for a PM. An expert on spin and bullshit in other words. He's developed that skill exponentially since. But I seriously doubt a Federal Court Judge will fall for any of it.

    This is not in support of Clyne BTW. He's still a tosser. But very wrongly portrayed on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Someone needs to put a bullet in Alan Jones. He adds no value to society.
    I’ll second that.

    He’s a parasite.

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    Only bloke Iíve seen bringing Clyne to task twisted words or not. Not interested in anything else he says but at least itís something in a big sea of sweet FA about the useless RA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Someone needs to put a bullet in Alan Jones. He adds no value to society.
    Can’t advocate for the bullet, but certainly agree with the rest. There is only one person that Alan Jones cares about and that is Alan Jones.

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    Not sure I entirely agree Shasta. Unless Clyne was saying that in every other case of a CoC breach the sponsors stood up and said they were in favour of drug taking/assault/public pissing etc, but didn't for Folau and therefore he alone had to be terminated, the phrasing clearly implies that they did hear from the sponsors but not in support. That is most definitely the impression Clyne was trying to give in support of the decision, so not unreasonable to take it as such...hearing nothing at all from the sponsors either way hardly justifies the action. But he specifically did say they had heard from government, so as a minimum he has dropped them into the frame for blackmail.

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    Jones is a grub. Having him on your cause will do you far worse in the court of public opinion than if he never got involved.

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    Lots of long bows being drawn about what RA did or didn't say to sponsors/government. How do we know that RA didn't approach government and say "We think its this, is that your interpretation?"? I wouldn't call that interference and it would be sensible from RA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Lots of long bows being drawn about what RA did or didn't say to sponsors/government. How do we know that RA didn't approach government and say "We think its this, is that your interpretation?"? I wouldn't call that interference and it would be sensible from RA.
    The RA being sensible doesnít compute.

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    We have people playing rugby league and rugby union in this country who have abused women, traded in drugs, stripped naked on pub balconies, gouged playersí eyes, have driven vehicles when drunk ó they continue to play.

    A young Polynesian Christian quotes from his Bible and he is banned for life.
    The great thing about our Anzac brothers across the ditch is that they responded in the cases cited above with consideration and consistency.
    I agree with Jones here. Consistency is needed. You cant have players staying on who have sexually assaulted team managers, punched team captains, dealt with cocaine, urinated from a cow suite, driven drunk, and then terminate the contract of someone who posted a homophobic social media post. Surely sponsors would not want to be associated with some of the behaviours of the players who have been allowed to stay on. What is different when it comes to Folau's wrongdoing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by volvo View Post
    What is different when it comes to Folau's wrongdoing?
    Well the main difference is that Folau's social media sermonising was premeditated, contrary to the undertaking given to RA that it would stop and has escalated since the sacking. So it is the exact opposite to another undertaking that he would walk away rather than damage the game. All those other breaches are are pretty bad for sure (I don't recall the sexual assault one). And I don't recall the details of them all but I'd guess they were not premeditated and the players involved were contrite and didn't repeat. I'm certainly not defending Ra's stance on the others; just pointing out the difference. The twat was even prepared to desist and take down the post until daddy said he would burn for eternity. I simply can't see they had a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Well the main difference is that Folau's social media sermonising was premeditated, contrary to the undertaking given to RA that it would stop and has escalated since the sacking. So it is the exact opposite to another undertaking that he would walk away rather than damage the game. All those other breaches are are pretty bad for sure (I don't recall the sexual assault one). And I don't recall the details of them all but I'd guess they were not premeditated and the players involved were contrite and didn't repeat. I'm certainly not defending Ra's stance on the others; just pointing out the difference. The twat was even prepared to desist and take down the post until daddy said he would burn for eternity. I simply can't see they had a choice.
    In the sexual assault case I am referring to the Di Patson incident.

    Beale, who is effectively facing workplace sexual harassment charges at next week’s Code of Conduct hearing after distributing offensive texts in June about Wallabies business manager Di Patston.
    Beale was facing a code-of-conduct hearing into his alleged sending of lewd texts and offensive images to team-mates and inadvertently to former Wallabies business and logistics manager Di Patston.
    Talking about repeat infringements, How about K Hunt. He was caught twice while at the reds dealing cocaine. Beale, while all being different, has had multiple offences. So I understand some of the differences but in terms of repeat offences how is this different to Folau? Also, surely drug dealing is also premeditated as well like Folau's social media posts

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    Like I said pretty bad look and that I'm not trying to defend either of them, although KHunt was done for possession the first time had the second offence charges dropped. Beale was sexual harrassment. No criminal charge. But I still don't see a choice where the player in question digging the toes in, demanding an apology and the right to keep on going.

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