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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    .....which in turn reminds me that at the Thai food fair in Birdwood Square - the one Chibi put us on to before the Sunday afternoon match - they gave me a spork to use. A single bloody spork for eating noodles. Burgs is right Sporks are usless. Now this might seem irrelevant, trolling over old ground. But it's in keeping with the thurst of this thread, right?
    You see I think that a Spork is the perfect utensil for noodles.

    If you wish to continue as a neanderthal and eat noodles with your fingers you go right ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPaRTAN View Post
    It is alarming to find out the eradication of the Force came with absolutely no benefits, in fact its left a state without a team:
    1. a very successful state that had a good solid honest track record of growing its grass roots and expanding the game in a tough AFL state,
    2. large number of locally grown stars representing the Force, they in a very short amount of time had produced an 3. honourable amount of Wallabies,
    4. ripped out and remodeled to suit a few men in suits ego's and to sustain a failed franchise, The MELBOURNE REBELS.

    5. Because the Rebels didnt have access to WA's developed talent, they couldn't even finish higher than the Sunwolves.

    6. Australian rugby would have more talent to chose, more players developing across more pro teams giving more opportunity to players in more remote areas that may have or had access to a pro team to strive for
    7. disengaged and disconnect
    8. None of the money meant for grass roots made it to grass roots,
    9. fans have disengaged with super rugby,


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    And for all of the above I agree, that the axing of the Force has been a complete failure.
    I don't have a problem racking over the past.
    The state unions have the power to axe the RA Board, but the eastern states control the vote and they are too gutless to do the right thing. (IMHO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by westies man View Post
    Give it a fucken rest you whinging prick. What's done is done, I know quite a few ex regular posters that don't come on here because they are sick and tired of 'Johnnie come Lately's whiny little bitches like you who do nothing but incessantly moan about how it isn't fair.

    The local rugby scene has gone back at least 10 years so all the countless man hours grassroot volunteers put in for the last 10 years has all been for nothing but you don't see them moaning and moaning about things that were beyond their control, they roll their sleeves up and just get on with it because if they didn't there wouldn't be rugby in this town but all wankers like you do is keep looking in the rear vision mirror.

    Why don't you do us all a favour and continue to troll your shit on the SOB facebook page and leave this one alone and hopefully a few ex regulars start to come back on and contribute to what used to be a discussion between real rugby people. This whole TWF thing has really gone to pieces and I hope it can back to what it originally designed for.
    I was thinking the exact same thing

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    you know what heapsoffun, you don't really sound like you are heapsoffun. I could be wrong, I'm not judging you

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    Quote Originally Posted by lou View Post
    you know what heapsoffun, you don't really sound like you are heapsoffun. I could be wrong, I'm not judging you
    I like to think I am heaps of fun

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    How come newsbot doesn't wish me a happy birthday?

    Jerk....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLR View Post
    How come newsbot doesn't wish me a happy birthday?

    Jerk....
    Happy birthday mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    The game still soldiers on in WA. But, the 30% drop in participation at community level this year is almost certainly a direct result of the loss of the Force. That is an alarming stat however full you see the glass.
    When will the participation numbers be made public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    .....which in turn reminds me that at the Thai food fair in Birdwood Square - the one Chibi put us on to before the Sunday afternoon match - they gave me a spork to use. A single bloody spork for eating noodles. Burgs is right Sporks are usless. Now this might seem irrelevant, trolling over old ground. But it's in keeping with the thurst of this thread, right?
    There's one stall there with a bloke with an Aussie cricket shirt, his wife makes curries that'll burn your b̶u̶t̶t̶ throat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakkies View Post
    When will the participation numbers be made public?
    Yes Missing Link on GAGR wants to know!

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    He can wait.

    Bret Harris is at it in The Guardian, hopefully not Andrew Cox's 'private equity.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...y-in-australia


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    The NSW Waratahs have given Australian rugby a much-needed shot in the arm, but their run to the semi-finals has not disguised the fact the code is still in trouble in this country; the four remaining Australian teams may have improved since the culling of the Western Force last year, but they were still largely uncompetitive against the best New Zealand had to throw at them.


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    The Waratahs would have finished fourth in the New Zealand conference, yet they managed to secure a home quarter-final by winning the weaker Australian conference. They were the only Australian team to reach the top eight. The other three – the Brumbies, Rebels and Reds – were among the bottom seven, although the Rebels just missed out a play-off spot on point differential.

    You could argue the Australian teams are heading in the right direction, but there is still a long way to go to reach their destination. How do they get there? Sanzaar is working on a new competition model post-2020 to win back spectators and television viewers, but it will not make much difference if Australia does not further lift its game – by some distance.

    Australian rugby could invest more in quality coaching, high performance and front-office smarts, and it would have a positive effect, but what every team needs is players, coachable athletes, who can fill positions on the field and on reserve benches. With more and more Australian players such as Wallabies and Waratahs winger Taqele Naiyaravoro heading overseas, Australia lacks the depth of talent to populate four competitive Super Rugby teams, let alone five.

    Australian rugby has always enjoyed mini-periods of success, but it has never managed to sustain success at Test or Super Rugby level over the long-term because the game lacks a strong foundation.

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    Australia needs to create a genuine third-tier competition to develop players for Super Rugby and the Wallabies. New Zealand has the National Provincial Championship and South Africa has the Currie Cup, both high-standard provincial competitions with a lot of history, which underpin Super Rugby in the two countries.

    Australia’s National Rugby Championship is a relatively new competition, which has only been around for a few years. Maybe the NRC needs time to grow, but what is it going to grow into? It is really just a glorified Super B competition and is not comparable to the NPC or the Currie Cup, which create wide and deep pools of talent for New Zealand and South Africa respectively, and also have an economic benefit to the game.

    There has been speculation Rugby Australia is looking to enter teams in New Zealand’s NPC, but the Kiwis are unlikely to agree to this. Why would they? They have already got what they need. Instead, RA should look in the opposite direction to Western Australia where mining billionaire Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest has created World Series Rugby as a vehicle for the Force.

    It is quite bizarre that the NRC and World Series Rugby co-exist on a level not just below Super Rugby, but beneath the NPC and the Currie Cup too. Interestingly, the Force play in both competitions, which suggests there should be some kind of merging of the two entities to create one strong third-tier competition, perhaps co-owned by Rugby Australia and Forrest.

    RA needs to join forces, excuse the pun, with Forrest, but why stop there? Both have expressed interest in exploring opportunities in Asia. If a joint venture was able to incorporate teams from the Japanese Top League, it would have the potential to develop into a credible and lucrative competition, which would add value to Australian rugby.

    When RA was bringing the axe down on the Force’s neck, Forrest emerged as the franchise’s financial benefactor, but it was too late in the game politically for him to save them as a Super Rugby team. But he has remained an important player in the west. If there is one thing that Australian rugby is desperately in need of, it is private equity and that is something Forrest, whose net worth is $US3.7bn, has got plenty of.

    With Sanzaar re-negotiating its broadcast deal to take Super Rugby beyond 2020, RA should be in discussions with Forrest about creating a new competition to support the professional game in Australia. RA rejected Forrest’s bid to save the Force as a Super Rugby franchise, but he could still end up the saviour of the competition, at least in Australia.

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    Interesting. I do fail to see the differences between NRC and ITM/Currie cup though.

    History aside of course.

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    The Currie Cup is far more professional and is underpinned by provincial Craven Week teams at school age, SA Schools, Varsity Cup then Currie Cup under 19s and Under 21s. Then you have the Super Sport Rugby Challenge with those provinces playing, it runs in the first half of the year.

    In Australia the interprovincial under age tournament the under 19s previously under 20s is younger than the NRC and the Aus schoolboys play three games a year with selection prior to the commencement of the Qld schools comps.

    The kids in South Africa when they get to Currie Cup level have played far far more Rugby than their Australian counterparts who are getting in to the NRC.

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    Thank you Bakkies, I did not know that background information.

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    The other difference is the coaching there are Currie Cup coaches who have coached at Super Rugby and even test level. Majority of the NRC coaches are stepping above club Rugby to progress. The Blue Bulls had John Mitchell coach them last year, Pote Human is taking over this year I believe he has coached at Super Rugby level.

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