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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansie View Post

    Regarding I.P. - happy for all of you who question why we do not own the I.P. also to come to the AGM and explain how we buy the I.P. for less than $800K if the seller will not part with it for less? or where do we get the $800K asking money?

    I think being able to use the I.P. - I think for the next 50 or 99 years and not pay $800K is a good outcome.

    It would be interesting to know whether the ARU thinks it has adopted Recommendation 2 of the November 2017 Senate Inquiry into the future of rugby union in Australia, which said,

    “The committee recommends that Australian Rugby Union immediately transfer all intellectual property and trademarks associated with the Western Force to RugbyWA.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    It would be interesting to know whether the ARU thinks it has adopted Recommendation 2 of the November 2017 Senate Inquiry into the future of rugby union in Australia, which said,

    “The committee recommends that Australian Rugby Union immediately transfer all intellectual property and trademarks associated with the Western Force to RugbyWA.”
    I guess it doesn't say "ownership"... they're good at turns of phrase like that don't forget!

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    Alison, perhaps its something that could be brought up with Senator Reynolds?

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    Guess it depends on how you define the word “transfer”.....

    In any event, the recommendation is not legally binding so it’s academic really.

    I am going to to formally write to the Senate Committee, ARU, Australian Sports Commission and WA Government to ask how things are progressing with the 8 recommendations from the Inquiry. ASIC too if we don’t hear anything from them this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Guess it depends on how you define the word “transfer”.....

    In any event, the recommendation is not legally binding so it’s academic really.

    I am going to to formally write to the Senate Committee, ARU, Australian Sports Commission and WA Government to ask how things are progressing with the 8 recommendations from the Inquiry. ASIC too if we don’t hear anything from them this week.
    Sadly, and as someone who has dealt with politicians for many years, I can tell you that the key word is recommendations.
    That is all they are, recommendations, and that is all the power of the Senate Committee inquiry had unless it uncovered absolute proof of corruption, illegal dealings and so on.
    If the other bodies/parties do not want to follow through then we will have a Yes Minister situation: "Thank you for you recommendations. We will take them on board and......."
    The best hope is to keep the pressure on ASIC and ATO through the media and hope that more information can come to light that will not allow them to keep pushing it aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren View Post
    Genuinely interested in your knowledge /opinion.

    What will Alison's appointment to the board as a representative of non-club aligned rugby supporters do that will outrage the clubs? How does her appointment to this role hurt you or those you represent? Did she usurp someone else who was more active, qualified, and seeking such a position?
    Darren, thank you for your questions; you seem to be switched on along with the likes of Ex, Fulvio, Peter Rabbit , Westie, Jargon, Beige and the Punisher. A lot of the posters on twf aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the box.

    Before I respond; for the record (again) I have no issue with Alison as a person and think she did a great job in exposing the rorts in the lead up to the senate inquiry.

    My point actually has nothing to do with Alison herself despite what the numb brains on twf have concluded.

    My point is Board positions of any serious organization that I can think of are filled with individuals who can bring to the table specialist, legal, financial, or political skills that will assist in the governance of that organization.

    Stakeholders of various types can be consulted via various advisory groups; quite a common scenario.

    What the rugbywa board have done is effectively waste a Board position. Whoever the sea of blue actually are (the jury is still out on this from my perspective) could be part of an existing stakeholder group for any consultation required going forward. Just as club reps, referees, country rugby and others are.

    The twist in the story here is that minderoo run the Force (not Rugby wa) so why isn't a supporter rep being invited onto the minderoo board? The answer is bleedingly obvious - it's totally inappropriate as per my argument above and there's no way Andrew Forrest would entertain it.

    How the Rugby wa board arrived at this cunning plan I have no idea. Next they'll be getting the guy with the sparkly lights on to the Board as Hansie's replacement.

    I stick to my guns in saying if this position was put to a election at a clubs meeting or an agm, Alison wouldn't receive one vote other than from Board members.

    I trust I have satisfied your queries.

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    I think the time has come for me to take my leave of twf. Its been great while it lasted. But in the last few weeks along with the awesome news of new signings and the IPRC progress news there has also been a dramatic increase in finger pointing, name calling and infighting that quite simply has put me off the whole thing... i genuinely wish you all well and hope we get to watch tier 2 rugby again in this fair city.. till then, catch yas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansie View Post
    One thing I have learned in the 20 plus years being involved in community rugby is that in many cases ( not all) successful clubs and organisations bring in skillsets "outside" of the club. Sometimes restricting leadership and management to club or organisational members to only those who have shown longevity or allegiance restricts growth.
    Pretty sure all those above mentioned club or organisational members who have whacked in a shit of load of time hope they haven't restricted too much growth and feel humbled by your kind words. Feel free to alter my post to suit.

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    Oh how I wish we could get back to arguing about whether our professional team's number [insert any number from 1 to 23 here] is better than the bloke wearing that number for the Wallabies.

    A guy and gream right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    Oh how I wish we could get back to arguing about whether our professional team's number [insert any number from 1 to 23 here] is better than the bloke wearing that number for the Wallabies.

    A guy and gream right?
    Or about the Ref, or the shitty commentators, or the over priced beer at the game

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    Westie - great to see you back.

    No-one and certainly not I dispute that every single volunteer working in community Clubs do it selflessly and contribute hours and often at personal cost, to their beloved clubs. You have done, I have done it and we know what it takes.

    Let me elaborate on my clause you have copied. Whilst these selfless, hard working volunteers give of their time for their club, there are cases where a club committee of hard working sensational people may not have within their group, 2 or 3 professional highly skilled people that can, perhaps provide legal, governance, financial and/or political advice and netwroking that just gives that committee an edge. It's like a Rugby team made up of very hard working, passionate, committed amateurs, playing against a team that includes 3 or 4 professionals.

    No one should even try to think a skilled professional is any better, more committed or less - for that matter - to a community club than a long serving, passionate volunteer that may possess the skills of a volunteer.

    You know as well as anyone that I have tried damn hard to level the playing field. 4 years ago, CRAC was made of 3 board members long out of community rugby. Today we have members on CRAC from your club, Kalla, Pally, Wanneroo, Curtin, Mandurah, Soaks, Neddies, Referees and Juniors. If we don't engage to learn from clubs and debate robustly how to grow the game and give it our very best shot - then we should let others take over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkness View Post
    Darren, thank you for your questions; you seem to be switched on along with the likes of Ex, Fulvio, Peter Rabbit , Westie, Jargon, Beige and the Punisher. A lot of the posters on twf aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the box.

    Before I respond; for the record (again) I have no issue with Alison as a person and think she did a great job in exposing the rorts in the lead up to the senate inquiry.

    My point actually has nothing to do with Alison herself despite what the numb brains on twf have concluded.

    My point is Board positions of any serious organization that I can think of are filled with individuals who can bring to the table specialist, legal, financial, or political skills that will assist in the governance of that organization.

    Stakeholders of various types can be consulted via various advisory groups; quite a common scenario.

    What the rugbywa board have done is effectively waste a Board position. Whoever the sea of blue actually are (the jury is still out on this from my perspective) could be part of an existing stakeholder group for any consultation required going forward. Just as club reps, referees, country rugby and others are.

    The twist in the story here is that minderoo run the Force (not Rugby wa) so why isn't a supporter rep being invited onto the minderoo board? The answer is bleedingly obvious - it's totally inappropriate as per my argument above and there's no way Andrew Forrest would entertain it.

    How the Rugby wa board arrived at this cunning plan I have no idea. Next they'll be getting the guy with the sparkly lights on to the Board as Hansie's replacement.

    I stick to my guns in saying if this position was put to a election at a clubs meeting or an agm, Alison wouldn't receive one vote other than from Board members.

    I trust I have satisfied your queries.
    Straight up - you make a fair and valid point in your response.

    Only 10 spots on the board, and of course you would want to use them well.

    I don't want to tell you how to suck eggs, but I will anyway The rugbywa constitution allows the elected members of the board to direct appoint 4 members of the board. This is meant to happen at the first meeting after the AGM. Timing would suggest this was the case, nothing clandestine about this. The constitution also allows for changes to be made to the constitution at an AGM. The people who make these direct appointments have been elected by members. So if there is an groundswell against such appointments - there is something that can be done about it.

    That aside...

    I'm not sure of Alison's profession/skill sets, and if you would deem them useful to RugbyWA. However, I think you can trust her to make independent decisions based on the information before her. I'm not suggesting other board members place their own club agenda above that of the state union, but wouldn't there be an upside to having an unaligned board member? I also suspect that Alison will perform her duties with the utmost due diligence lest someone look into her actions the same way she has looked into those of ARU board.

    I've been on a few boards, and my experience is that a diverse board is a good board. (says the white Anglo-Saxon male)

    Anyway - I'm not out to defend Alison or the boards decision - not my job. Just interested in why you thought it was such a bad thing.

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    Just to clear up any misunderstandings I have not given any argument one way or the other as to Alison's appointment. How Alison want's to spend her free time in a voluntary capacity is none of my business or any else's who hasn't put their hand up and I wish her well. The issue some people here seem to have is the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkness View Post
    Darren, thank you for your questions; you seem to be switched on along with the likes of Ex, Fulvio, Peter Rabbit , Westie, Jargon, Beige and the Punisher. A lot of the posters on twf aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the box.

    Before I respond; for the record (again) I have no issue with Alison as a person and think she did a great job in exposing the rorts in the lead up to the senate inquiry.

    My point actually has nothing to do with Alison herself despite what the numb brains on twf have concluded.

    My point is Board positions of any serious organization that I can think of are filled with individuals who can bring to the table specialist, legal, financial, or political skills that will assist in the governance of that organization.

    Stakeholders of various types can be consulted via various advisory groups; quite a common scenario.

    What the rugbywa board have done is effectively waste a Board position. Whoever the sea of blue actually are (the jury is still out on this from my perspective) could be part of an existing stakeholder group for any consultation required going forward. Just as club reps, referees, country rugby and others are.

    The twist in the story here is that minderoo run the Force (not Rugby wa) so why isn't a supporter rep being invited onto the minderoo board? The answer is bleedingly obvious - it's totally inappropriate as per my argument above and there's no way Andrew Forrest would entertain it.

    How the Rugby wa board arrived at this cunning plan I have no idea. Next they'll be getting the guy with the sparkly lights on to the Board as Hansie's replacement.

    I stick to my guns in saying if this position was put to a election at a clubs meeting or an agm, Alison wouldn't receive one vote other than from Board members.

    I trust I have satisfied your queries.
    Allow me to answer your questions.

    1. Over the past 4 years, we have struggled to get people nominated just to fill the available positions. So, all this hullabaloo is kinda interesting for me to observe that we have a bun fight over the past week or so on this site about board nominations and we struggle to find people to put their hand up???? Let's hope that going forward we now have dozens of people nomination ahead of this year's AGM.

    2. Meetings between Minderoo and the Sea of Blue have gone on for quite a while. The board of Minderoo is a wee bit different in make up than RugbyWA . Minderoo is not only looking after Rugby!!

    3. How about asking "why and how did the board of RugbyWa arrive at this decision?" rather than making up your own inflammatory assumption. Brent happens to be one amazing person and looks forward to donning his lights once again, it could be argued your comment is discriminatory.

    4. Mate - you are a no-body in Community Rugby, why don't you show some guts and nominate for President on 28th March, even though I don't know you, I will second your nomination and put it to Community for a vote. You claim to be such a whiz bang- well - put your money where your mouth is?

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