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    Exile you forget that backline players need time and space to think and react... the fact that there are 6 opposition players cramping their style would've short circuited their brains

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimeric View Post
    Exile you forget that backline players need time and space to think and react... the fact that there are 6 opposition players cramping their style would've short circuited their brains
    Bloody backs - to busy checking their hair

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    I was actually thinking that you pick it up, make contact, and transfer it back. I think that would be a great response to this tactic, easy to begin when half their team is in front of the footy, and you have the added advantage of their forwards joining the maul from the sides when trying to defend it.

    If you don't have much razzle dazzle you can still attack it, you just need to be able to think on your feet

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    The ball carrier doesn't define the ruck/ maul but the next players do ... if they pick n go, make contact then you've created nothing. You need a 3rd player to create a maul or a team mate to keep contact with the opposition on their feet to create a ruck.

    The Italians let England players go to ground on their own with no further contact ... no ruck, not even a tackle in some cases. Not being held means England could get right back up & keep going until the D commit fully to a tackle.

    As soon as there's a valid ruck 2m further on all the oppo are then offside and have to retreat ... or they should be liable to 11.9 Loitering ! That's how ref's can manage it.

    When do the GMG come out for 2017 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    if they pick n go, make contact then you've created nothing. You need a 3rd player to create a maul or a team mate to keep contact with the opposition on their feet to create a ruck.
    If you pick 'n' go with a teammate on your hip, and make contact with the opposition whilst maintaining your feet it becomes a maul. There's no time specified in the law, but the ref will usually wait a few seconds before calling it a maul. If the whole assembly goes to ground it's a tackle, if the defender and the attacker maintain their feet (and maintain contact) it's a ruck.

    THerefore the obvious tactic is to pick the ball up and run at somebody. I'f you're a speedy back, you'll find somebody you can beat one on one, If you're a forward, get somebody on your hip who maintains their feet and contact regardless of what you do. THat teammate can pick and drive if you haven't managed to create a ruck or a maul.

    Repeat until you run out of players or until an offside line is created. I guarantee since you are moving forward that they will run out of players before you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    When do the GMG come out for 2017 ?
    It's out now

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    If you pick 'n' go with a teammate on your hip, and make contact with the opposition whilst maintaining your feet it becomes a maul. There's no time specified in the law, but the ref will usually wait a few seconds before calling it a maul. If the whole assembly goes to ground it's a tackle, if the defender and the attacker maintain their feet (and maintain contact) it's a ruck
    If the maul is formed and it goes to ground it is not a tackle; it is a collapsed maul. How it went to ground may be open to sanction.

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    Has this loophole been around forever, or only since the ruck/maul law changes in the early 90s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecky View Post
    If the maul is formed and it goes to ground it is not a tackle; it is a collapsed maul. How it went to ground may be open to sanction.
    That's true, but how often is it adjudicated that way when the runner has support on his hip and the tackler (for want of a better term) takes him straight to ground without the ball being transferred? Does the law require a second defender to bind before its called a maul?

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    Just going on your description; where you said it was a maul.

    The law requires one person from each team to be bound to the ball carrier, everyone on their feet. A player tackling the ball carrier is not binding onto said ball carrier, so does not create a maul by attempting to tackle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibi View Post
    Has this loophole been around forever, or only since the ruck/maul law changes in the early 90s?
    to be honest mate - I disagree with your description of a loophole.

    A tackler doesn't make a Ruck or a Maul. The actions of the next people in, do. IF no one joins in its still a Tackle and there is no offside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecky View Post
    It's out now
    So will I find it on WA Refs website ... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exile View Post
    to be honest mate - I disagree with your description of a loophole.

    A tackler doesn't make a Ruck or a Maul. The actions of the next people in, do. IF no one joins in its still a Tackle and there is no offside.
    It's just an expression, next time I'll put it in quotation marks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecky View Post
    Just going on your description; where you said it was a maul.

    The law requires one person from each team to be bound to the ball carrier, everyone on their feet. A player tackling the ball carrier is not binding onto said ball carrier, so does not create a maul by attempting to tackle.
    OK so Tackling defender and bound second man from the attacking team isn't a maul?

    That would be the source of my confusion then! I guess it depends on your interpretation of the term "bound" in that law, I was going with shoulder and arm in constant contact with, which I would think happens in most tackles, and therefore thought that as long as that assembly maintained its feet then maul was called.

    Good to get the call from active refs on this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    So will I find it on WA Refs website ... ?
    Not sure. I found mine in my Inbox, much like all of the clubs, I imagine

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