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    Joondalup wanted to play with the big boys.

    They knew the rules they had to abide by to stay there.

    If they can't field field lower grades because they haven't got the numbers the answer is not to change the rules.

    The answer is for them to fold or be kicked out of the competition.

    The same applies to all non performers.

    The players they bleed will help other clubs grow stronger.

    There are too many duds in the competition, thanks to the pathetic weakness of past RugbyWA administrations.

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    Hear Hear, the rules weren't changed for Rocky

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    Hear Hear, the rules weren't changed for Rocky
    Which I thought was pretty unfair and a pretty blinkered approach by RWA. Their MO should be to improve and grow rugby in WA, which means working with struggling clubs to ensure they survive and succeed rather than a too bad so sad approach. A promotion/relegation system is required and it works very well in the UK. A lot of clubs over there go though peaks and troughs over the years and will move up and down divisions on a regularly basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zed View Post
    Which I thought was pretty unfair and a pretty blinkered approach by RWA. Their MO should be to improve and grow rugby in WA, which means working with struggling clubs to ensure they survive and succeed rather than a too bad so sad approach. A promotion/relegation system is required and it works very well in the UK. A lot of clubs over there go though peaks and troughs over the years and will move up and down divisions on a regularly basis.
    Like a 'premier' and 'district' comp for argument's sake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F Man View Post
    Like a 'premier' and 'district' comp for argument's sake?
    A good idea in theory, but one that makes it very difficult for a team to get promoted. Teams should be able to move easily from districts to Prems not spend years trying to negotiate terms with RWA. You win top districts, you move up to reserves, you win that, you move up to prems. You come bottom prems, you move down to reserves, you come bottom reserves you move down to districts etc etc There's no point having a team going unbeaten for years in districts and there's no point having a team struggling in prems for years. Hypothetically, if Wanneroo, were dropped to reserves, had success for 2 seasons, they would attract more players, gain promotion and build from there. The system that exists at the moment, only benefits 3 - 4 of the top clubs.

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    By the sounds of it, you're suggesting a consolidation of all the comps and their various grades to become separate comps with the various grades operating independently. Is that right? If so, a club could concievably field teams in Prems, 3rds and 5ths with no teams in Reserves, 4ths and Colts.

    A system like that would probably work for the strugglers, because it would allow your teams to rise to their level of capability, but it would need some control of team constitution (ie locking players into one grade) to stop the stacking of a lower grade team with higher grade players in an attempt to buy a trophy.

    I also don't think it'd do anything to stop the rumours of poaching that pervade the discussion.

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    it should be prems/res vs "others"

    district clubs choose what teams to submit, in what grade.

    something like top team of the club drags the team up/down? your highest team dictates what level your other teams can be.

    Prems / Res is all promotion/relegation. 3rd and down everyone can put a team in, and they choose what level. then the deciders around what teams get promoted/relegated.

    top of 3rds, plays bottom of prems, winner takes all? best of 3?

    or

    have the top club in 3rds, that isnt in prems to play the bottom reserves team that isn't in prems.

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    The way a few of you guys are talking I have a solution for you.How bout everyone meets down at Brittania say around 1pm.We can play rock paper scissors to see who gets first pick and then select our own teams from everyone that bothered to rock up.
    Won't worry back keeping score or comp points and we can then all have a jolly good time and talk about how this is so much fairer than worrying about whats fair and what's not.
    It's all about participation right.

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    Men like Brent Gallagher , (former JB D.O.R.) don't come around to often , he had them on the right track a few years ago, and Dean Carlise ain't a Brent , and I believe Dean only took on both roles DOR and coach to insure he didn't get shafted like he did at Neddies, in saying that they are doing a lot better than the previous year, I personally don't like the way they went about it by throwing coin around. Here something for you wanneroo and Baysie guys to read.
    JB. Wanneroo PB
    1s 8th. 10th. 9th
    2s. 8th. 10th. 9th
    3s 9th. 10th. 6th
    4s 6th. 5th. 9th

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    Quote Originally Posted by westies man View Post
    talk about how this is so much fairer than worrying about whats fair and what's not.
    What a bizarre thing to say. It's perfectly fair as it is. How is it unfair? For a few clubs it's not working, doesn't mean it's unfair. RWA should be wanting a competition where everyone is happy. Bit of a pipe dream possibly, but working towards that should be their goal. So if a club is finishing bottom of every grade and getting pommeled by 50 points, RWA should proffer some advice/guidance for that club on how they can address the issue, rather than telling them to shape up or ship out. That benefits no-one. The club continues to struggle and the opposition don't get a competitive game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Men like Brent Gallagher , (former JB D.O.R.) don't come around to often , he had them on the right track a few years ago, and Dean Carlise ain't a Brent , and I believe Dean only took on both roles DOR and coach to insure he didn't get shafted like he did at Neddies, in saying that they are doing a lot better than the previous year, I personally don't like the way they went about it by throwing coin around. Here something for you wanneroo and Baysie guys to read.
    JB. Wanneroo PB
    1s 8th. 10th. 9th
    2s. 8th. 10th. 9th
    3s 9th. 10th. 6th
    4s 6th. 5th. 9th

    The problem JB have, which is Wanneroo's achilles heel is a lack of quality players in reserves and 3rd grade. Nedlands have guys that were playing Prems/State/Gold a few years ago and some of the clubs struggling in 3rd grade have guys in their late 40s/50s who would look more at home propping up the bar in Moe's tavern. Their club gets a few injuries and they are moving these guys up to reserves/prems and they are hopelessly out of their depth, whereas the clubs with depth can call up ex state players who can probably still go Ok in Prems. Until that is addressed JB, WN, PB etc will struggle. There is no point recruiting 15 top guys from NZ and going great in the top division, you need to recruit 30+ players that are capable of playing Prems. And that's just never going to happen for the smaller clubs.

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    The problem with having a promotion/relegation system between premier clubs and suburban clubs is that it could mean that 1sts and 2nds and other grades from the same club would be playing at different grounds. All clubs in WA rely on lower grades for their reserve benches.
    Before any club can be promoted to the Premier Division they need to show depth in all grades.
    Merging is the answer, clubs all over the world have done it.
    In the 70's a club I played for celebrated 100 years of rugby, had been very successful but were struggling to field lower grade teams. It was either merge or fold so they put aside rivalries and merged with one of their fiercest rivals.
    With a joint name that clubs history is still continuing after 140 years.
    Merge or fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choice View Post
    The problem with having a promotion/relegation system between premier clubs and suburban clubs is that it could mean that 1sts and 2nds and other grades from the same club would be playing at different grounds. All clubs in WA rely on lower grades for their reserve benches.
    Before any club can be promoted to the Premier Division they need to show depth in all grades.
    Merging is the answer, clubs all over the world have done it.
    In the 70's a club I played for celebrated 100 years of rugby, had been very successful but were struggling to field lower grade teams. It was either merge or fold so they put aside rivalries and merged with one of their fiercest rivals.
    With a joint name that clubs history is still continuing after 140 years.
    Merge or fold.
    Yup that's what happens with the clubs in the UK and it definitely affects clubs. You don't have the backup of other teams. I'm not sure if a promotion/relegation system wouldn't create it's own problems, a difficult one...

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    Many ideas have been floated on site over the years , I think the 8 Team Premier comp was the best one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choice View Post
    The problem with having a promotion/relegation system between premier clubs and suburban clubs is that it could mean that 1sts and 2nds and other grades from the same club would be playing at different grounds. All clubs in WA rely on lower grades for their reserve benches.
    Before any club can be promoted to the Premier Division they need to show depth in all grades.
    Merging is the answer, clubs all over the world have done it.
    In the 70's a club I played for celebrated 100 years of rugby, had been very successful but were struggling to field lower grade teams. It was either merge or fold so they put aside rivalries and merged with one of their fiercest rivals.
    With a joint name that clubs history is still continuing after 140 years.
    Merge or fold.
    re merging-that would have been in Wellington?
    from memory clubs that merged back then incuded Marist,SPOB,onslow,HSOB,hutt,Taita,NaeNae,Marist HV,Oriental,Rongitai and probably a few more.
    the mighty Eastbourne didn't-and after playing one year in Senior first division in the early 70's,is now reduced to one team,playing in a weight governed comp!
    clubs Merging will eventually happen here

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