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    Referee Review: Oh no, Munro TMO video

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    Last updated 11:54, May 18 2015



    OPINION:

    Chiefs coach Dave Rennie is a rather unhappy man.

    By rather unhappy, we mean he's absolutely fuming. Raging. Furious. He's not a happy chappy.

    His Chiefs side suffered at the hands of one of the biggest refereeing howlers of the Super Rugby season, just when they had a chance to beat the Hurricanes on their home turf.

    Referee Glen Jackson went upstairs and in an awful hurry TMO Vinny Munro came back with an incorrect decision.

    The rest is history.

    Where did the officials go wrong on Saturday night?

    Sam Cane 'knock on' - 79th minute

    We start with the biggest, most talked about call of the match.

    Sam Cane was brought down by Hurricanes replacement prop Chris Eves, and as Cane went to present the ball, Eves, lying on the ground, knocked the ball out of Cane's hands.

    Referee Glen Jackson copped plenty of criticism following the Hurricanes' clash with the Chiefs.

    Halfback Augustine Pulu then collected the ball, found a gap and scored a try for the Chiefs, but the play was sent upstairs to check what happened in the ruck.

    A knock-on, a rushed Munro said. Temperatures in the Waikato went up a couple of degrees as a result.

    Firstly, we need to know if it was a knock-on.

    The start of World Rugby's knock-on definition is: "A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward."

    Eves was heavily involved, but because Cane lost possession of the ball in the direction of the opposition goal line, it's a knock-on. It's a rule this referee reviewer doesn't agree with.

    Then we head back to Eves' involvement, which is a clear penalty.

    Rule 16.4 (d) in the World Rugby law book states: "Players on the ground in or near the ruck must try to move away from the ball. These players must not interfere with the ball in the ruck or as it comes out of the ruck."

    Such a cynical penalty probably should have resulted in a card given that stage of the game, but was up to the discretion of the referee.

    The Chiefs should have been awarded a penalty, but Pulu's try should not have stood as Cane's knock-on ended any penalty advantage the Chiefs received.

    Ma'a Nonu knock-on - 50th minute

    Nonu burst through the Chiefs defence but as he made a stretch for the try line the ball came loose.

    There is a clear gap between the ball and Nonu's arm at the start of the movement, but as the ball nears the ground Nonu comes back in contact, forcing downwards.

    When the ball touches the ground it is unclear whether Nonu is in contact with the ball or not.

    Given the way the ball bounces after hitting the ground it would appear Nonu didn't force the ball into the ground, although we are talking about very fine margins.

    Based on the evidence, the referees couldn't award the try.

    Callum Gibbins forward pass - 65th minute

    We've talked about forward passes before, and we'll do it again, no doubt.

    The Hurricanes had the best no-try of the season when it was called back for a forward pass from Gibbins to TJ Perenara.

    What referees have to look for on forward pass calls is if the player has thrown the ball forward from his hands, because relative velocity means almost every pass from a running player travels forward in relation to the ground.

    Going frame by frame, it appears Gibbins does throw the ball slightly forward in relation to his body, and the ball ends up inches ahead of him when it reaches Perenara.

    At full speed it looked like a flat pass, but Jackson made the right call.

    Bryce Heem forward pass - 40th minute

    Of course, there were plenty of comments on Saturday night along the lines of, "well if that was forward, Bryce Heem's pass was forward too".

    This one is harder to judge because Heem is tackled as he throws the pass, halting his momentum.

    Because he stops, the pass looks like it goes forward, but had Heem continued at the same velocity as he was going as the pass was thrown, the pass appeared flat at worst.

    Jackson made another correct call.

    Liam Squire yellow card - 48th minute

    Chiefs flanker/lock Liam Squire was sent to the bin after he was deemed to have tip-tackled Ma'a Nonu.

    Nonu landed with his feet in the air, but fairly safely on his back, although it may have knocked the wind out of him.

    After going upstairs and reviewing the tackle, Munro advised Jackson it was a yellow card offence, and Squire was sent to the bin.

    Law 10.4 (j) states: "Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player's feet are still off the ground such that the player's head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play."

    There's no doubting it was Nonu's back, and upper back, which came into contact with the ground first.

    You can argue that Nonu was never tipped past horizontal, and that argument would have come up plenty after the call was made, but "horizontal" isn't mentioned in the rule itself.

    Remember, lifting tackles are part of the game World Rugby are trying to stamp out, and there is no tolerance.

    The Nonu tackle was at the lower end of the spectrum, but Jackson and Munro made the correct call.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/s...h-no-munro-tmo

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    So all of these column inches are devoted to NZ teams who (it appears) were whingeing after being generally reffed pretty well (with a couple of mistakes)

    Where is the half a page on Rohan Hoffman's love affair with the Tahs?

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    A few of those refs have been stood down for this week's games. Will try and find the article link

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    On smh but the link isn't working. Hoffman stood down and reffing the force side line instead, awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleypinkbit View Post
    On smh but the link isn't working. Hoffman stood down and reffing the force side line instead, awesome!
    This one?

    http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/wa...18-gh4h25.html

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    The Chiefs should have been awarded a penalty, but Pulu's try should not have stood as Cane's knock-on ended any penalty advantage the Chiefs received.
    - stuff.co.nz

    The offense and the "knock-on" were simultaneous. In any event the first infringement is playing the ball on the ground. That player knocked the ball back and the Chief's regathered. Advantage applies and the try stands surely. Any comment from our referee friends?

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    Opportunity to give Hoff some sh!t on the touchline

    http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,2..._50010,00.html

    SANZAR Game Manager Lyndon Bray has issued a strongly-worded statement following a weekend of poor performances from Super Rugby referees.

    The list of this weekend's match officials released by the governing body was accompanied by a statement from Bray admitting that standards had not been met in some games and assured fans that below-par officiating would have consequences.

    Although Bray did not name individuals, Australian referee Rohan Hoffmann and Kiwi TMO Vinny Munro are both missing from the list.

    Munro has been the object of widespread criticism after botching a crucial late TMO call in the cliffhanger between the Hurricanes and Chiefs on Saturday while Hoffmann is believed to have been axed after raising eyebrows during the Waratahs' win over the Sharks in Sydney.

    "While we acknowledge that the match officials cannot get it right all of the time, there are some basic standards that have simply not been upheld over this past weekend, resulting in some disappointing decisions and selection consequences," said Bray.

    "A thorough and robust system is in place whereby the development and performance of each match official is reviewed by SANZAR and its member unions on a daily basis and like any athlete participating in elite competition, our referees are accountable to performance levels for the competition.

    "Appointments are made weekly based on performance reviews from the previous round but also includes an evaluation of the current form of each official over the term of the competition.

    "We have completed our reviews from the weekend and have followed strong internal processes as we prepare our team to reach their physical, mental and technical peaks as we head into the critical last four rounds of the regular season and Super Rugby Finals Series.

    "Public confidence in match officials is essential to the ongoing success of our product and we will continue striving to enhance the quality and accountability of refereeing across all SANZAR competitions."

    Super Rugby match officials: Round 15

    Chiefs vs Bulls @ Rotorua International Stadium, Rotorua
    Referee: Chris Pollock (New Zealand)
    Assistant referees: Glen Jackson (New Zealand), Aki Aso (Japan)
    Television match official: Glenn Newman (New Zealand)

    Reds vs Sharks @ Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
    Referee: Angus Gardner (Australia)
    Assistant referees: Matt O'Brien (Australia), Damien Mitchelmore (Australia)
    Television match official: Peter Marshall (Australia)

    Blues vs Hurricanes @ Eden Park, Auckland
    Referee: Nick Briant (New Zealand)
    Assistant referees: Ben O'Keeffe (New Zealand), Aki Aso (Japan)
    Television match official: Aaron Paterson (New Zealand)

    Waratahs vs Crusaders @ ANZ Stadium, Sydney
    Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa)
    Assistant referees: James Leckie (Australia), Michael Hogan (Australia)
    Television match official: Peter Marshall (Australia)

    Force vs Highlanders @ nib Stadium, Perth
    Referee: Andrew Lees (Australia)
    Assistant referees: Rohan Hoffmann (Australia), Graham Cooper (Australia)
    Television match official: Ian Smith (Australia)

    Cheetahs vs Lions @ Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein
    Referee: Jaco van Heerden (South Africa)
    Assistant referees: Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Lourens van der Merwe (South Africa)
    Television match official: Marius Jonker (South Africa)

    Stormers vs Rebels @ Newlands, Cape Town
    Referee: Stuart Berry (South Africa)
    Assistant referees: Quinton Immelman (South Africa), Rodney Boneparte (South Africa)
    Television match official: Deon van Blommestein (South Africa)

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    Great game, Fucken battled right through to the 80!

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    Awesome to see WA ref Graham Cooper starting to get regular action at the next level. Congrats Coops.

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    So our refs for the Highlanders match are:

    Lees, who one-arm-reffed the second half of the Reds-Rebels last week
    Hoffman, who has been demoted (but was the ref when we beat the Tahs!)
    Cooper, who got a speaking to from the Spirit players in the NRC when, in order to not appear biased, was massively biased to Brisbane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueandblack View Post
    Yes, thanks!

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    SANZAR need better scheduling of the refs. I look at the list of refs and don't know half the names and couldn't remember if we have ever had them ref a game, especially a home game. But I can sure has hell tell you the names of the refs we consistently get and how bad they were in this or that game.

    Spreading the refs around more such that they minimise the number of times they ref the same teams will help generally with the public perceptions of refs performance, such that a poor performance in one game is not magnified by the ref having to ref the same team the following week and hence potentially been seen as another poor performance or bias.

    This would also mean the teams don't suffer from having one ref who may not like\understand their style of play and blow them off the field week after week.

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    It's Tuesday Giggs and i'm not complaining about the refs! How times are changing. I do feel a little bit sorry for the rebels though having Stuart berry and the Stormers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boof1050 View Post
    It's Tuesday Giggs and i'm not complaining about the refs! How times are changing. I do feel a little bit sorry for the rebels though having Stuart berry and the Stormers.
    Is it the bye?

    I'm pretty sure the only reason they waited a week to drop the Hoff is because, try as he might, he couldn't get the Tahs up in our game.

    I hope that Lyndon Bray will think seriously about sanctioning refs who have shit matches against teams that don't bitch and moan about it (like us) because there seems to be a bit of a double standard. The New Zealand media is rabid in their savaging of any ref who calls pretty much anything against a New Zealand team, whether he is following law or not, but the Eastern States media leave it alone when the Force are playing, so we get the shit refs week in week out. I don't think a ref has been dropped after a Force clash EVER and we've seen some real wankers!

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