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    My article has had its status lifted on G&GR.

    http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/spr...stats-tell-us/

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    Well done Andy, great work hope they take notice at the Wobblies camp.

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    Also sad to see Scott Allen quitting the Roar. Love his articles with great analysis and objectivity. He's become fedup with the slanging matches on the forums that detract from the topic OF RUGBY. Gave a really torrid review of the Wallabies in this weeks articles re the scrum. Wish Cheiks would read them once in a while.

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    I'm not sure what to think after that tour. A poor performance, no arguments there, topped off by a scrum massacre against England. Having said that, a couple of passes stick and the results may have been quite different (wins against France and Ireland perhaps). The problems appear to be core skills related for the most part. It doesn't appear to be a difficult fix (catch, pass, tackle etc) but I'm not a coach (perhaps someone with coaching experience can enlighten me?). The scrum has technical problems but I feel that the main issue there is attitude. You should not approach the scrum looking for parity - you should be looking to shove your opponents head up his own rectum! I see this as a coaching failure and it needs to be addressed rapidly. We also need to unearth some bench players with impact even if they are lacking in experience.

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    For a very, very long time union has felt inferior (at least in NSW) to league and constantly think that 'running rugby' will solve all problems.
    As a result, they have a tendency to over compensate and we start getting these stupid ideas of a 7 that doesn't have to be involved in pilfering the ball, or pushing in the scrum and run meters seem to be the only stat that matters.

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    Looks like I've survived the past 24 hrs OK on G&GR with some good discussion....
    So far there's been no defence of Kepu...

    Attached is some additional breakdown of the ruck stats....

    Attachment 3585

    The "Impact" stat has been picked out by some as having little use.

    Any suggestions of what may be a more useful stat?

    GIGS20..did this info give you what you were looking for?

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    I think the impact stat is very useful as it separates the workers from the passengers. You can make a lot of rucks and be ineffective.

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    It is very subjective - a lot of what i have read, they are complaining that if you are first to the ruck, you have an impact as you are reducing the chance that the opposition will attack that ruck, hence having an impact.

    Perhaps you have to change it to be fully subjective, ie - you believe they had a positive impact from their involvement in the ruck, ie early arrival meant that they stopped others from coming into attack the ball.


    Either way - you have done a great job, and i think they are really useful stats - as is seen by the constuctive discussions being had at G&GR and here.,

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    As further comment:
    Have checked through the stats for England.
    In almost every instance the player arriving 1st gets credit for impact (~97%).
    Many arriving 2nd make no impact (~33%).
    Players arriving 3rd, 4th, 5th or later can still make an impact (~43%).

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewg View Post
    The "Impact" stat has been picked out by some as having little use.

    Any suggestions of what may be a more useful stat?

    GIGS20..did this info give you what you were looking for?
    It certainly did for me. It confirms my suspicion that we, as a team, dont impose ourself upon the opposition when the ball is on the floor. To have every key player making a difference to fewer than 3/4 of the rucks they engage certainly seems to be an area where we need to improve.

    A very good coach once told me that you shouldn't enter a ruck unless you are going to make a difference there (ie if the ball is already lost, don't get caught in the pile of bodies, fill the defensive line) With that in mind, I would consider that we need to aim for the 90s in that stat, If the player isn't going to make an impact, stay out of it. It reflects poor decision making as much as it does poor ability.

    I would think that the GAGGERers are not happy with the stat because it shows some of their key favourites to be passengers when the hard work needs doing. Be thankful you didn't have enough data to put Cliff Palu's stats up there, they would have been chasing you with torches and pitchforks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    I would think that the GAGGERers are not happy with the stat because it shows some of their key favourites to be passengers when the hard work needs doing. Be thankful you didn't have enough data to put Cliff Palu's stats up there, they would have been chasing you with torches and pitchforks.
    I'll let you know how I go after the opening Tahs game of 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewg View Post
    I'll let you know how I go after the opening Tahs game of 2015.
    Palu will kill the tahs game, along with any international against Outer Mongolia or Upper Dontplayrugbyistan. It'll be when the going gets tough that you'll need armed security.

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    Actually, do WE play the Tahs round 1 next year?

    Maybe Palu WILL have a bad game.

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