Dom Shipperley and other Reds.

[Happy]

Harris has signed with Reds, we had several atempts to lure him West to no avail

does no-one read any more?

TOCC - you have him, we tried, LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS

forget your G&G rugby gibberish and listen to the people in the know - InnFORCEer's!!!!!

[TOCC]

does no-one read any more?

TOCC - you have him, we tried, LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS

forget your G&G rugby gibberish and listen to the people in the know - InnFORCEer's!!!!!

No he is off contract at the end of this year...

[sittingbison]

...Unless the Force have spilt the beans on another province signing a player...

hehehehe good one TOCC, I was in need of a good laugh because its Monday %)

[GIGS20]

Thats quite an impressive squad isn't it but a few flaws in your argument..

Harris, F'Sautia, Shipperly, Davies, Frisbee and Seuteni haven't re-signed for 2013, granted having a halves combo of Genia-Cooper makes it more attractive for a outside back to remain though.

So the real question is, why aren't the Force making more of an effort to sign some of these players, like F'Sautia, Frisbee or Seuteni?

Because we need a really good 12, haven't got much room in the squad for an outside back or a 9

Perhaps the reds knew that when they made the signings and are hoping to get a bargain on them knowing the other squads' needs

[TOCC]

Perhaps the reds knew that when they made the signings and are hoping to get a bargain on them knowing the other squads' needs

Potentially... But i think the more likely reason is that the Reds wanted to re-sign their core 'halves combo' and inside backs before worrying about the outside backs...

I'd arguably say this ranking system below is the level of importance of those players to the team and subsequent emphasis on re-signings.

1. 5/8
2. Halfback
3. Inside Centre
4. Fullback
5. Outside Centre
6. Wings

[James]

Thats quite an impressive squad isn't it but a few flaws in your argument..

Harris, F'Sautia, Shipperly, Davies, Frisbee and Seuteni haven't re-signed for 2013, granted having a halves combo of Genia-Cooper makes it more attractive for a outside back to remain though.

So the real question is, why aren't the Force making more of an effort to sign some of these players, like F'Sautia, Frisbee or Seuteni?

How do you know they aren't?

We probably can't afford to have both UJ Seuteni and Kyle Godwin in our squads. You'd have to go with Godwin for numerous reasons on that one. Be great to have UJ in the EPS though.

[Happy]

No he is off contract at the end of this year...

i give up..

[The InnFORCEr]

No he is off contract at the end of this year...

No, he re-signed with the Reds months ago - FACT

If he had not already re-signed TOCC, every hack on the East Coast would by now have him tied to the Rebels, Tahs or Brumbies depend on what kind of news day it was.

[TOCC]

No, he re-signed with the Reds months ago - FACT

If he had not already re-signed TOCC, every hack on the East Coast would by now have him tied to the Rebels, Tahs or Brumbies depend on what kind of news day it was.

So Michael Harris literally re-signed with the Reds months ago?

I guess this article from last month is just nonsense then... Sure things could have progressed since..

Q) You are off contract at the end of Super Rugby season, are you negotiating your next deal yet?

A) I haven't been doing any negotiating at all. My manager is looking at some things but it's very early on and I'm not concerned about it yet.
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Q) Is it a decision you will leave until the end of the season?

A) No, not necessarily. It's in the back of my mind now, but negotiating a contract can affect your form and if I start getting too involved at the moment it might distract me.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/q...-1226347220188

[TOCC]

Regardless if he has signed then i guess that just another endorsement in the current Reds system and helps build the quality of depth at the Reds for future years.

[PerthChicka]

So Michael Harris literally re-signed with the Reds months ago?

I guess this article from last month is just nonsense then... Sure things could have progressed since..

Just because it's been "quoted" in the press doesn't mean it's true or even vaguely true.

[sittingbison]

article is May 5th, its now June 26th. Getting close to "months ago".

The point TOCC is I dont believe for one second any player will willingly give up $Xk just to play for his "beloved" jersey or team mates. Not going to happen. That mentality is harking back to the good old days of amateurism and has no place in the modern professional world. They are out to get as much as they can as quick as they can, and good on them. All the other blather is a mechanism to pressure/chisel as much out of their existing or future team as they can.

A guy like Taps or even Harris would have been offered much more than they were getting at the Reds by Force and Rabble, the only scenario that fits is getting extra 3rd party payments or salary cap breaches (or both).

A guy like Judas saying he went to Rabble for his brand and improving his rugby (similar arguments to love of the jersey by not mentioning the money) was complete crap. They threw the kitchen sink at him, and the Force cancelled negotiations (after he verbally agreed to remain) when he suddenly introduced the infamous KPIs (so much for loving your team mates).

There is not the slightest hope in hell that Genia is on any less TOTAL money at the Reds as he was offered by the Force. He would have been offered more to go overseas, but at this point I think wobbly selection is still on his agenda. The moment its not he will be off like a shot, too roo beloved Reds. Same with Cooper, and that might be sooner than later if Deans doesn't select him.

[TOCC]

The point TOCC is I dont believe for one second any player will willingly give up $Xk just to play for his "beloved" jersey or team mates. Not going to happen. That mentality is harking back to the good old days of amateurism and has no place in the modern professional world. They are out to get as much as they can as quick as they can, and good on them. All the other blather is a mechanism to pressure/chisel as much out of their existing or future team as they can.

A guy like Taps or even Harris would have been offered much more than they were getting at the Reds by Force and Rabble, the only scenario that fits is getting extra 3rd party payments or salary cap breaches (or both).

A guy like Judas saying he went to Rabble for his brand and improving his rugby (similar arguments to love of the jersey by not mentioning the money) was complete crap. They threw the kitchen sink at him, and the Force cancelled negotiations (after he verbally agreed to remain) when he suddenly introduced the infamous KPIs (so much for loving your team mates).

There is not the slightest hope in hell that Genia is on any less TOTAL money at the Reds as he was offered by the Force. He would have been offered more to go overseas, but at this point I think wobbly selection is still on his agenda. The moment its not he will be off like a shot, too roo beloved Reds. Same with Cooper, and that might be sooner than later if Deans doesn't select him.

I will never begrudge a player that chases their true market value, good on them, they have limited careers and are one injury away from retirement.

However what you have just said is nothing more then speculation and reflective of a person who has a serious chip on their shoulder.

Of course Genia was going to sign for less then what he was been offered at the Force, if you don't think this is true then i suggest you have a realistic evaluation of the current position of the Force as opposed to the Reds and then add in other factors like family and friends.

[beige]

Just because it's been "quoted" in the press doesn't mean it's true or even vaguely true.

A quote's a quote.

[normie]

An integral part of any financial offer is the proverbial " bigger picture". Irrespective of what is offered in cold hard cash, one has to consider the future earnings that may come from areas outside of the rugby contact. This includes WAG career and earnings. It may well transpire that offspring are well settled in good schools and moving to far away schools could jeopardize the Billy lids education. Contacts with local business community identities, which could lead to opportunities post rugby carreer may be jeopardized. Who's to say that "love of the team song" is merely a metaphor for I might be better off staying where I am for long term prosperity.