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    International Rugby Board confirms new scrum engagement call

    Getting rid of the "pause", basically. SANZAR's Facebook page says it will be trialled in Super Rugby next year...

    A revised scrum engagement sequence will be trialled globally following unanimous backing from the IRB's expert Scrum Steering Group.

    The trial, which will incorporate the sequence “crouch, touch, set”, was approved at a meeting of the specialist group - made up of Union and players' representatives, former players and other experts - in Bristol, England, last month.

    The revised engagement process will be trialled alongside the five Law amendments announced in May, from the start of the next season in each hemisphere and forms one part of the IRB’s ongoing commitment to improving the scrum phase of the Game.

    The sequence will see the front rows crouch then touch and using their outside arm each prop touches the point of the opposing prop’s outside shoulder. The props then withdraw their arms. The referee will then call “set” when the front rows are ready. The front rows may then set the scrum.

    This sequence was one of six that were extensively researched at six different levels of the Game, including Women’s Rugby, as part of the initial trial process. “Crouch, touch, set” was found to be the most successful and will now be trialled on a global level.

    Read more: http://www.sanzarrugby.com/about-rug...gagement-call/

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    about bloody time something was done about the scrum engagement

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    "The front rows may then set the scrum."

    WTF does that mean?

    is that when the engage happens or it it just a replacement word for "pause"

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    even the link fails to explain it properly.. so is it crouch-touch-set with or without "engage"

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    "Set" replaces "engage" - the idea is to use a one syllable word to ensure both front rows go at the same time.

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    it wont change anything you will get stupid refs who have never packed a scrum in their lifes with a 10second wait between the touch and "set".

    Just say it out loud "crouch touch set" sound lame to me and wont change a thing.

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    “Everyone knows whether it’s rugby, politics or whatever, front-rowers should rule the world, so to have a hooker at the helm makes sense,” Nathan Charles Western Force & Wallabies Hooker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beige View Post
    "Set" replaces "engage" - the idea is to use a one syllable word to ensure both front rows go at the same time.
    3 years of study and trial came up with that??

    teams "engage" when they hear the ref first speak the word, not when they have waited for him to finish it

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    The problem is the call is 'crouch' (pause) 'touch' (pause) 'pause' (pause of indiscriminate length) 'engage'.

    I've heard it said that the refs try to vary the length of their pauses so that the front rows don't learn the cadence and engage that fraction of a second early; but surely the ref can call them up on that anyway, if that's what they do, so varying the cadence is meaningless.

    As it operates now the two sides of the scrum stay in position for 10 seconds waiting for the ref. With each side of the scrum weighing 900+ kg, the impact energy of the hit is massive, so rugby should be doing what it can to ensure that the number of resets is minimised, and to me the long pause just encourages false starts and uneven hits. I'd prefer the refs to maintain a steady cadence of 'crouch' (pause - if required) 'touch pause engage'.

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    all they need to do was go back to crouch - engage and ban skin tight jerseys, give the props something to bind on to and all is well!!

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    They trialled several things and apparently that worked the best - if that's true I won't whinge. The article says that they have a few more options up their sleeve before the next World Cup too. I don't really care, as long as it works, because that's the only thing really wrong with the game at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    3 years of study and trial came up with that??
    Crouch - 1 year

    Touch - 1 year

    Set - 1 year

    Seems Legit

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    How did we manage to go for so long with the hookers working it out for themselves?

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    well hookers...... no must resist

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    Here's a thought-and it's only that-God I can hear the ridiculing already.What if......the 2 front rows engaged and got set and the refs call brought the other 5 from each team into the scrum.Contested scrums with no collapses and still with the scope of a bit of scullduggery in the front row......Please be gentle with me.

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    it'll never happen,despite having been successful for decades

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