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    Wallabies vs England Match Review

    *POP* And the bubble has burst. The Wallabies, flying high after wins over New Zealand and Wales, have come back down to Earth with a thud with a 35-18 loss to England. What saddens most is that the big talking point of the week, the scrum, was a real non-event in the game. The Wallabies were purely out-enthused by a committed England side who proved they are real contenders in next year’s World Cup.

    Australia got off to a shaky start to the game with 3 early missed penalties from range. Meanwhile England were out of the blocks early dominating possession. Toby Flood opened the scoring with a penalty in the Xth minute. England continued their attack and poor tackling from Australia allowed them plenty of metres through the midfield and eventually some excellent offloading from England resulted in Chris Ashton barging over to put England 10-0 in front.

    This is where the panic started to set in. England were doing everything England does do; constantly making metres through the centre field, counter-attacking with intent and accuracy and really stretching the Australian defence. There job made all the more easy by a Quade Cooper defence that makes a turn-style look like a titanium-reinforced vault door. Not that numerous other Wallabies weren’t to blame for woeful tackling. Worse still, where Australia were missing shots at goal, England were converting their pressure into points.

    James O’Connor managed to finally kick one over in the 32nd minute to settle the nerves and bring the Wallabies back within a converted try of England. This work was soon undone as Toby Flood slotted another two penalties in the 34th and 38th minutes; the second as insult to the injury of a Matt Giteau yellow card for a professional foul on the Australian line.
    O’Connor finished a half the Wallabies would have liked to forget with a penalty to bring Australia back to within 10 points. (Half time score 16-6).

    The turning point came early on in the second half. The 14 man Australian side were hot on attack and just metres from the try-line when Will Genia darted for the line. England stopped him in his tracks, turned the ball over and, in a truly un-English way, spread the ball wide for Chris Ashton to score a length of the field try and turn what could have been 16-13 into 23-6. Heartbreak. The Wallabies again let down by some terribly shabby defence. The look on forwards faces said it all and the match was lost in that moment. The pain continued as Flood booted another penalty to bring the lead out to 20. The Wallabies fought on but the pressure of being so far behind in the scoreboard took its toll on our young and experienced backline as they started making taking poor options, particularly with the kicking. Yet one of these kicks payed off as Kurtley Beale pounced on his own chip kick to bag a try in the 54th minute.

    But once again all of Australia’s hard work was undone with ill-discipline gifting England another 3 and a three-score buffer. From this moment the Wallabies started clicking a bit in attack and finally doing what they should’ve done earlier in the game- they kept it simple and spun the ball wide. Credit to James Slipper who, rather than losing his head and trying to offload from the ground a couple of metres from the try-line, took the ball to ground and allowed the Wallabies attacking machine to put Beale over for a second in the right corner. Even though O’Connor missed the conversion, it was the 65th minute and Australia were trailing by 11 and a glimmer of home remained.

    Toby Flood doused the glimmer with a 70th minute penalty. Another Flood penalty in the 77th minute to bring the game to 35-18, the final score, added the humiliation of setting a new record for points scored against Australia in a test.

    The Wash-up:

    Ouch! That was one of the most painful test losses in recent memory. It hurts as badly this year’s Bledisloe cup match in Melbourne or the trouncing we suffered in JoBurg in 2008. It was a very poor performance from Australia. The team seemed lethargic, uninspired and a mere shade of the dynamic and exuberant team of the last two weeks. What went wrong? Well... lots of things, but mostly the defence. Probably no need to mention Cooper again but I just have so there it is. But it wasn’t just Cooper; reliable tacklers like Adam Ashley-Cooper were falling off tackles too. England were able to build momentum off of Australia’s weak tackling and each time they crossed the gain line the tackling became harder and more metres were made. Even when the Wallabies did manage to turn over the ball their kicks were average and often didn’t make touch which just invited Ben Foden, Chris Ashton and Mark Cueto to run the ball back at pace into an already fragile defence. As cheesy as it is to say it, the Wallabies were their own worst enemies. They were read well by Johnson and his team and ruthlessly exploited. As for our attack, the enthusiasm and accuracy of the past two weeks was missing and England were water tight defensively.
    The good news is that they probably can’t play any worse against England and, as mentioned by someone in the match preview thread, it’s better to lose now than it is to lose in 12 months. I have to say though that I’d really like to know what Robbie Deans was thinking coming into this match. He’s played practically the same team for the last 3 games and they just didn’t seem into it. Australia can never hold together a run of form on the road and key personnel changes like Lachie Turner in for Drew Mitchell or Berrick Barnes in for Giteau or Mumm in for Chisholm might’ve made all the difference. Easier to say in hindsight I suppose.

    Man of the Match:
    If I was going for more cheesy clichés I would say the Wallabies winning the game for England. There weren’t many stand-outs in the Australian camp- Beale was ok, Pocock was good but far from his best. The two Ben(n)s were pretty good I thought. Benn Robinson pretty harshly dealt with at a couple of breakdowns. The Man of the Match definitely came from England and it is a pretty tough call all round. England’s forwards all played very well and their outside backs were a headache all night. It is scary to think how good the team could be if they had a more dangerous midfield. I am going to have to agree with the officials at Twickers though and give it to Ben Youngs. The kid was zippy and kept feeding the ball moving and kept the Aussies under pressure. A year ago it was Will Genia who wowed us all and played havoc with the English side and this year Youngs has got his own back for England. You bastard.

    Thats all from me folks. Thank you and goodnight.

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    Great write up James.

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    In my opinion we lost the game in the following areas.
    1 Up front the forwards would rather stand back on defence at the rucks and malls giving the England team easy clean ball to work with. There were so many occasions it would have ended up in a turnover to Australia if the forwards committed to the rucks and malls. To many forwards were waiting for the ball rather than going looking for it. Pocock and Elsom played their harts out but that just wasn't enough.

    2 If you kick the ball and some dude in the opposition gets it and run circles around your whole team then why kick the ball to him again and again and again. All credit to the England team for playing the gameplan they played but surely the Wallabies could have adjusted there senseless kicking game into something more suitable for the occasion. Cooper was out of his league last night and as I have said many times before he is only good if his forwards are going forward and the opposition is poor. Giteau was lazy in defense and sideways in attack.

    3 Australia needs a decent goal kicker You cannot have a goal kicker in international rugby whose limit is 45 to 50 meters I have seen U/18 club rugby players this year kicking 50-55 meters consistently. I can see the Force loosing a couple of tight games if Rabbit doesn't increase is accuracy at the 50 meter mark.

    4 England were allowed to be flat in defence and in some cases offside without getting penalizing placing a lot of pressure on the Wallaby attack. I am not bagging the referee but feel that the Wallabies should have done the same in defense but they rather stood back further than the what was necessary giving England room to run amok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pieter blackie View Post
    ........I can see the Force loosing a couple of tight games if Rabbit doesn't increase is accuracy at the 50 meter mark.
    Hopefully Cameron Shepherd is ready to reclaim the kicking duties

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    England played inspired rugby and though supporting Australia, it was pleasing to see exciting running rugby from England infront of the 80k who turned up for the game.

    This game is not so much about the Wallabies loss, but more about England's win. This is the kind of Southern Hemisphere game that many doubted could be played in the northern hemisphere. Infact, shortly after the Wallabies win against the All Blacks in Hong Kong, an article in the English papers written by their own, pretty much consigned England to the doldrums.

    You could say that where England was inspired, the Wallabies were uninspired but it was not as simple as that. England shocked the Wallabies, probably made them panic abit. Didn't help that a few penalty goals opportunities were wasted, probably knocked some wind out of the sails but I saw more kicking (much of it ineffective) from this Wallabies side than we have seen during their recent previous games that questions whether this was the part of game plan - "keep those slow Pom backs in their half, they can't counterattack for shit" - or was it a panic reaction.

    I suspect it was the former. They watched Tindall, Flood, Capriani, etc against the All Blacks and thought the only way England can potently counterattack is if they only have 10 metres to go to th tryline, anything more and they are generally hopeless. What a lesson this was.

    For the Wallabies, not a bad loss really, the World Cup is just under a year away.These games are there to tinker with and build on. This loss should reinforce the running rugby concept and that kick and chase is old school. Give away possession in any part of the rugby field and pay the consequence. Keep the ball, mix up the possession by tight and wide ball and the gaps will appear.

    It really is elementary.

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    England learnt what can happen when you run the ball...and that is a worry.
    They still won the match on kicks in typical fashion, but that is easier to swallow knowing they played attractive Rugby and scored as many tries as the Wallabies.
    I think the coms said they had scored twelve tries for the year prior to last night?

    The fact is that while we have Cooper at Flyhalf we will continue to have these type of results. To match his attacking flair you have to accept (in selecting him) that he will be treated like a turnstile, with all fifteen poms zeroing in on him when they got the pill to run with, and that he will have kicking brain snaps.

    He appears resigned to not being able to tackle and doing what he sees as enough to slow the opposition runner until a "designated tackler" saves the day. Unacceptable.
    He is a strong unit with decent arms in the strength and length department, there is no excuse for him to be so shit at it.
    As for repeatedly kicking to the back three...at least make them run a few metres to catch it...

    That said, the issue isn't entirely that Cooper has faults, it's that we have too many similar players that can't patch over his faults to allow his strengths.
    I would say that Cooper, Giteau, Ashley-Cooper, O'Connor, and Beale ALL carry the tag of "must be selected" but none of them are world class in their position. Giteau has been at #12 but remains Provincial at best currently. Beale is developing nicely but also is Provincial as a #15. O'Connor has had some reasonably impressive matches but is in no way a Test Wing. Cooper has a beautiful long pass, but seems to want to run a "Hail Mary" play every time he has the ball, with none of the linkman balance and patience of a Larkham.
    All of these players are broken play specialists where positional play goes out the window. They have been instructed to "play what's in front of them" and that is why we are seeing so much more crowd pleaser moments under Deans, but also so many more clangers.

    To have AAC as the tackle bust strength player is quite a worry. He is good at it but he is not a Mortlock, Staniforth, Nonu etc. This is probably a role for 2011 in Ioane.
    There is no tackling machine like a Nathan Grey of a playing generation ago.

    So, with so many "attacking flair" orientated players it is very difficult to run a Plan B defensive match with only three options on the bench.
    Each time Barnes has entered the fray this Spring he has straightened the line and exhibited patience and a sense of leading the backline.
    Turner too, is a little bit razzle dazzle however he can do the hard hits like Mitchell (never thought I'd say that)...but doesn't really matter if he doesn't get on the paddock.

    So to the Forwards, I thought there was good stuff from them all individually, but as a pack they were simply not up to the enthusiasm and drive of the Poms.
    There were some dud calls, which in this instance didn't seem to balance out over 80, and a few clangers. I wouldn't have thought many more than usual for such an intense match. With such long multi phase stretches on a heavy track all Forwards would have been peaking throughout and the hosts clearly made the best of it.

    On that front, can somebody please dispatch 22 pairs of real Rugby boots with serious studs? It is embarrassing to see grown men fall over untouched.
    With the kicking, JO'C does only have little legs and it is apparent that is his range.
    That isn't really something to brand him with, he was asked to do a job and he had a crack. We have a long range sharpshooter in Beale (albeit failed in HK) that could have been at least not over kicking for length.
    It is probably unfair to have a song and dance about his first three as for his range they were really speculators. And if I hear another commentator harp on about the ramifications for the score line or result about missed kicks other than conversions or to end a half I think I will have an aneurism...

    So, to the week ahead.
    I would lean towards an unchanged (injury permitting. Genia?) XV for the mid week and if there was a single sign of less than brilliance against a Provincial team then I would bring out the Samurai sword at the selection table for Italy to give them all a bloody good wake up call. Maybe it's the new age way, but it seems that Robbie doesn't like making the tough call at the selection table.

    The Robbie Deans Grow Some Balls XV for Italy:

    1. Benn Robinson
    2. Tatafu Polota-Nau
    3. Ben Alexander
    4. Van Humphries
    5. Nathan Sharpe (VC)
    6. Matt Hodgson
    7. David Pocock (C)
    8. Scott Higginbotham

    9. Will Genia/Nick Phipps
    10. Berrick Barnes
    11. Drew Mitchell
    12. James O’Connor
    13. Rod Davies
    14. Lachie Turner
    15. Kurtley Beale

    16. Stephen Moore
    17. James Slipper
    18. Rob Simmons
    19. Richard Brown
    20. Nick Phipps/Luke Burgess
    21. Adam Ashley-Cooper
    22. Peter Hynes

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    Great analysis everyone!

    Also just wanted to say I thought it was fantastic that for the minute (or was it two? can't recall) silence, the crowd was extremely quiet. It showed such a great amount of respect.

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    Higgenbotham is more effective at 6 then 8. he's a bit messy at the back of a scrum, let alone one that gets pummelled.
    Hodgo can have a shot at 8.
    Your backline is pretty out there!

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    Backline, as in who is out or the positions they are in?
    Hodgo doesn't have the shove for #8.
    Post scrum they are interchangeable anyway and we can afford a whisker less control at the back v the Romans.

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    Nothing personal against Giteau but we need a big hard tackling 12. What is the point of Cooper's little short range passes is they aren't too a big guy who can bash his was through a compromised defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    Backline, as in who is out or the positions they are in?
    Hodgo doesn't have the shove for #8.
    Post scrum they are interchangeable anyway and we can afford a whisker less control at the back v the Romans.
    JOC and Rod Davies Midfield is pretty leftfield.
    The centres are definitely a problem with or without Cooper at 10. Wont get fixed this tour with the people we have. Faingaa is an option but he hasnt seen much game time which could be a big ask.

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    One of the main areas for concern that I have from this game is the on-field decision making when penalties were awarded (especially in the first half). For the first couple of penalty kicks that Rabbit had (and missed - not by much), I would have thought that it was on his kicking limit, if not a stretch. At this point in the game, England had all the possession, so why not allow the team to have an opportunity with ball in hand and take the lineout (even though we kicked it away more often than a gayfl match).

    As Pieter mentioned, we don't have a strong kicker in the team, so why try and take kicks that even Carter and Steyn would struggle with? Flood kicked 9/9, Rabbit 3/7 and most of Floods kicks where from close to directly in front and with 40m of the posts. The first couple of Rabbits kicks were from outside 40m and near the sidelines. The probability of success was much reduced and led to the fact that heads started to drop when these kicks missed.

    It's fair to say that there might be some big name players who will only be going to NZ in the first half of 2011...

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    Beaten by a better team on the day that's all.

    I'm sure none of you have really heard of Ashton and Cueto on the wings and what a real number 12 should be doing in Hape.

    Unfortunaltely England matched and beat you in every aspect of the game. Nothing to be ashamed of, it happens.

    More can be won from a loss like that for the Wallabies.

    Cooper needs lessons tackling, it's been picked up now and he's being targeted as an easy place to break the line.

    Pocock was also being targeted and didn't get his usual impact last night.

    Unfortunately my boys got pipped in a good comeback from the boks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    Backline, as in who is out or the positions they are in?
    Hodgo doesn't have the shove for #8.
    Post scrum they are interchangeable anyway and we can afford a whisker less control at the back v the Romans.
    No, we can't! The Italians can scrummage, too - they love it and often have two props and a hooker on the bench and swap them in en masse after 50 minutes.

    And I have to say (without needing my Rose-tinted specs on) that in the few scrums which there were, Cole had the beating of Robinson.

    I saw a number of young English players do very well - Cole, Lawes, Palmer (not so young), Youngs, Flood (home town boy!), Ashton. If they can find a decent 13 (or 12 and move Hape to 13) they can drop Tindall and have the making of a very decent side. Complete difference to the team which completed in the 6-Nations!

    Both Australia and England need to learn to keep the intensity up for every match; you can afford a poor game in the WRC group stages, but not after then, and I've yet to see either team play that way consistently.

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    I agree they have world class Frontrowers Sheikh, but we match or surpass them in the back five. Time and again you hear that it is all eight forwards, not just the FR that make for a good scrum.
    What I am saying is that if Higginbotham was #8 you would focus on a eight man scrum push (ie control is not AS important as the Scrummie is doing the clearing) rather than have him handling it and exposing 7 man v 8 man.
    We have the backs given a stable platform and in Hodgson v Higginbotham the later is better able to achieve that.

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