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    Rugby: Disquiet on residency rules

    Rugby: Disquiet on residency rules

    By Gregor Paul
    5:30 AM Sunday Aug 22, 2010






    Willie Ripia's move to the Western Force was conditional on him being available for the Wallabies. Photo / Getty Images



    The prospect of three New Zealanders and a South African playing for England this November against the All Blacks could induce more change to the eligibility laws.
    A proposal to allow eligible players to swap from tier one (Six Nations, Tri Nations and Argentina) to tier two and below (rest of the world) is already being refined and is likely to be passed this year.
    But a secondary movement could be launched to revisit the residency laws that allow players to be eligible if they live in one country for an unbroken stint of three years.
    It's under that residency criteria that Riki Flutey, Dylan Hartley and Shontayne Hape have all gained caps for England.
    All three are in England's elite player squad and are strong candidates to make the 22 to play the All Blacks at Twickenham on November 6.
    There are also increasing calls for South African-born Hendre Fourie to win a start at flanker now that he has been elevated into the elite player squad. Potentially, almost one third of England's starting XV might not be English.

    Flutey, Hartley and Hape all grew up in New Zealand, with the former a proud representative of the Colts and Maori teams and the latter a rugby league international with the Kiwis.
    There are a growing number of administrators who believe the current laws do much to damage the credibility of international rugby.
    The issue of residency is now being discussed as part of the wider drive to improve the existing eligibility laws.
    Rob Nichol, of the New Zealand Players Association, says there has to be a way to cater for people who shift country and commit their lives somewhere they weren't born or don't have parental heritage.
    "But maybe the three-year residency isn't the right way," he says.
    Some of the options that will come up for consideration are toughening the residency route to those who become citizens or hold passports. Eligibility will be put to an IRB vote in November and the issue is creating debate in rugby circles.
    Those who support the concept of allowing players to switch allegiance after a one-year stand down say it has noble intentions.
    The purpose is to immediately strengthen a number of countries, particularly the Pacific Islands, who would be able to select players no longer wanted by the All Blacks such as Jerry Collins, Rodney So'oialo, Sam Tuitupou and Chris Masoe.
    The proposed change reflects the complexity of modern life where many Polynesian players feel as close to Samoa, Tonga or Fiji as they do to New Zealand. They might grow up in New Zealand but their lives will be heavily influenced by Pacific culture and tradition.
    For many players who have dual nationality, it is a tough call deciding which way to commit - though the financial lure and prestige of the All Blacks usually wins out.
    Yet, while there is empathy and logic in the proposal, as well as potential to better the global standing of several developing nations, there has been opposition in some quarters.
    Arguments have been made that allowing players to switch allegiance will cheapen the value of test jerseys and damage the credibility of the game. But some of those nations who have made that point are happy to field men who didn't grow up in the country they represent and never dreamed of playing for the country they represent.
    Allowing players to be eligible based on residency is, arguably, more damaging to the credibility of the international game than voting in favour of a return to representing two countries in a career.
    Does anyone really consider Flutey, Hape or Hartley English? Did any of them really dream of playing for England before taking professional club contracts in the UK? Or what about Auckland-born Lesley Vainikolo of Tongan heritage, who has also recently worn the red rose? Is he English? Or World Cup winner Stuart Abbott, or Henry Paul, or Mark van Gisbergen - were they English?
    There are other fears behind the desire to axe residency as a means of gaining caps.
    New Zealand lost Willie Ripia to the Western Force last week and his contract was conditional on him committing his allegiance to Australia.
    Only six weeks ago, he was playing for the Maori, dreaming of being an All Black and now he's talking about being a Wallaby purely because the Force stuck a pile of cash in front of him.
    Club contracts are being used, not just by Australians, as a means of luring young talent and enticing them to make themselves available for the country they will be moving to.
    France tried to do the same thing with New Zealand's Philemon Toleafoa and Ireland have done it with former Marlborough player Jeremy Manning.
    By Gregor Paul | Email Gregor

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news...ectid=10667899

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    Piffle.

    Every top tier rugby nation tries to pick up each others players. It's not a big deal at the moment. 3 years residency as a rule is fine. I like the idea of players moving down tiers. It would be great to have World Cups where the pool games are a lot tighter.

    No offense meant to Ripia, but it's highly unlikely that he'll ever play for the Wallabies. The guy seems like a good 10 but if he isn't first choice for the Hurricanes he'll probably never be first choice (or second) for the Wallabies. He probably still dreams of being an All Black, and returning to NZ after his 2 year contract is up, and who could blame him?

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    Samoa Fuji and Tonga have been complaining about this same issue for years but now that the foot is on the other foot now it is an issue.

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    Does anyone really consider Flutey, Hape or Hartley English? Lesley Vainikolo of To? Or World Cup winner Stuart Abbott, or Henry Paul, or Mark van Gisbergen - were they English?
    Does anyone believe that people in NZ are actually worried that a few ex Mungos have got a gig in another country when they were never going to play for the All Blacks even if Hell had frozen?

    Does anyone else think that the first 90% of that article was just a blind before the real purpose arrived - a bitch session about Willie Ripia committing to the Western Force and possibly Australia? Just like all those PI players who turn out for test matches wearing the silver fern? Well I do.

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    Geez if you had to born in the country to play for the country the wallabies would lose a few.

    Stephen Moore
    Dean Mumm
    David Pocock
    Will Genia
    Quade Cooper
    Digby Ioane
    Cameron Shepherd

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    '...."a bitch session about Willie Ripia committing to the Western Force and possibly Australia?"..............

    Absolutely...same ol' same ol'....
    If it's not one reason to blag the Force it's another.... Cheesh!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by welshrugbyfan View Post
    Geez if you had to born in the country to play for the country the wallabies would lose a few.

    Stephen Moore
    Dean Mumm
    David Pocock
    Will Genia
    Quade Cooper
    Digby Ioane
    Cameron Shepherd
    do the same thing with the AllBlacks though WRF

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    By the same token, do the same with Samoa - they actually had the most foreigners of any team at the 2003 Rugby World Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beige View Post
    By the same token, do the same with Samoa - they actually had the most foreigners of any team at the 2003 Rugby World Cup.
    Samoan heritage but born elswhere, you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Samoan heritage but born elswhere, you mean?
    Ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beige View Post
    Ya.
    Fair enough. I doubt so many would be in the side were they able to call on the likes of Gerry Collins, So'oialo et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    do the same thing with the AllBlacks though WRF
    Ben Franks Born in Australia and you need props
    Jerome Kaino
    Benson Stanley another Aussie boy
    Joe Rokocoko
    Mils Muliaina

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    Maybe there is a case to extend the time to 4 years. But really its not a problem at all.

    Players who are born in other countries but move to Australia or New Zealand for example, and play their whole junior carrers in that country, being brought up by that countries coaches, referees and rep teams. Should be 100% eligible to play for that country. And that is the case for pretty much all the Australian players anyway.

    Also, by having no residency law. How can players from country's who don't have a good international team ever play at the world cup. Or those countries who don't have a team at all...

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    Bloody poms, looks like their rugby team is going the same way as their cricket side!

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