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    Quote Originally Posted by rick boyd View Post
    This is why modern rugby is screwed. No wonder the current generation of players are a parade of prancing princesses with all the PC crap they have to put up with.
    It's simple - modern rugby players (at this level) get paid, if they wish to continue to be paid (and sponsored) at the rates they are want being PC is all part of it. Behaving like princesses is just a bonus [for some].

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    While I agree with many here that it was a personal mistake by Lote and he showed a lack in character. I'm not privy to his personal marriage arrangements nor is anyone else. Thats an issue for him an his wife to deal with... But I still don't see it as a ARU sackable offense...

    Both were adults and willing... all legal... and by the way Canberra is full of families or influence. Canberra is also full of many secrets held these people.

    Furthermore he wasn't paid to play in that test match... he wasn't in the 22... Also I do feel it was a difficult position to put Brown his room mate in... that was selfish by Lote...

    But its all done now... its a weird profession which sets juvenile behavioral rules treating adults as children on a school excursion... You never see this in any other corporate events...

    I also understand Lote personal sponsors have chosen to stand by him...

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    If I was in temporary accomodations as provided by my employers so I would be available should I be required [at short notice] for work and I took someone back to my room - I'd likely get sacked. If I'd been put on notice several times before - I would definately get sacked, especially if I hadn't been pulling my weight around the office of late.

    That's without being on a retainer as Lote was. As soon as he signed that contract and accepted his $1,000,000/year he was on notice.

    Whatever his 'personal marriage arrangements', I'd be suprised if they included putting their livelyhood on the line.

    I'd usually add a byline of "stepping down from high horse" to a post like this - but bugger it, there's a good view from up here at the moment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    Pretty bizarre statement Rick

    "During a painstaking investigation, The Sunday Telegraph discovered O'Neill chose not to go public with details of the incident - despite being accused of a cover-up - out of his respect for the woman and her family.

    Even most of O'Neill's senior staff at the ARU have been kept in the dark because of his concerns over the woman being identified and embarrassed."


    It would seem The Australian Editor and Journo didn't share the same concerns...
    Just call me old school. The rugby I remember and revere was played by real men. They got drunk without ever worrying about offending against team protocols and if they smuggled a sheila back to their rooms they got a round of applause. After hours they sprayed each other with the fire hose in the hallways, got falling-down drunk in seedy pubs and if they had a punch-up over a few beers, it was simply a case of shake hands and forget about it next morning. Any monkey business on the paddock was sorted out by the gorillas in the pack with a bit of biffo and no need for touch judges and citing commissioners to stick their pointy noses into it either. And after the game, have a beer together and sing a few dirty songs with gratuitous denigration of female genitalia, and no EEO legislation lurking around the corner.

    Yes, I know, I'm living in the past. Well let me tell you, the past was not a bad place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    It's simple - modern rugby players (at this level) get paid, if they wish to continue to be paid (and sponsored) at the rates they are want being PC is all part of it. Behaving like princesses is just a bonus [for some].
    And exactly what other professions in the corporate world abide by such stringent conditions? Most high fliers on big money are more likely to get plied with booze and hookers than treated like underage nuns.

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    All but the oldest profession would get sacked for shagging on duty.

    However - I know what you're saying, and I do agree to a large extent.

    Bottom line for my thinking (apart from any moralistic crudd) is that if you're gonna sign a contract and collect the $$$ promised in that contract, woe to you if you break it.

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    Any profession that involves the public eye (or ear ala Kyle Sandilands) has restrictions on behaviour that reflect their profile and the general public’s opinion on where the line is drawn. As Coach says, if you sign the contract then end of argument. You don't have to play Rugby, there are myriad of other careers available to fit young motivated boozy rooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick boyd View Post
    Just call me old school. The rugby I remember and revere was played by real men. They got drunk without ever worrying about offending against team protocols and if they smuggled a sheila back to their rooms they got a round of applause. After hours they sprayed each other with the fire hose in the hallways, got falling-down drunk in seedy pubs and if they had a punch-up over a few beers, it was simply a case of shake hands and forget about it next morning. Any monkey business on the paddock was sorted out by the gorillas in the pack with a bit of biffo and no need for touch judges and citing commissioners to stick their pointy noses into it either. And after the game, have a beer together and sing a few dirty songs with gratuitous denigration of female genitalia, and no EEO legislation lurking around the corner.

    Yes, I know, I'm living in the past. Well let me tell you, the past was not a bad place.[COLOR="Silver"]
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    well heres the thing, in the past rugby was amateur, the governing bodies and teams didnt have sponsors to appease and PR was a very minor issue. When rugby union decided to go professional, it basically turned its back on what you mentioned, instead we get more rugby games and we get to keep the best players in the game. A fair trade-off, well everyones to there own

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    It's down to the simple fact that he agreed team rules and the commitment he made by agreeing to his generous contract. He has seen fit to not only break the team rules and the conditions of his contract but subsequent to that he completely denied any wrong doing creating an unnecessary stress in the Wallabies team.

    How can you argue to continue to pay a guy millions of dollars if he has not got the respect or basic moral fibre to expect to have to follow some simple rules.

    No argument as far as I can see.

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    Anyone remember that Telstra employee that had a "menage a plenty" in a Hotel room purchased with private funds but was still fired because she was on a Staff Junkett and was funking.. i mean bunking with Fellow staff and another Staff member complained...

    Thats an extreme case i know, but its a perfect example of the extents an Employer can go to to ensure its image is kept clean to satify shareholders and the general public (in the case of Lote - Rugby Fans).

    Working in a management role i have to be as impartial as possible when dealing with repeat offenders... If i say "next offence , youre out!" and then go on to say "aaah yeah you only broke a small rule never mind, ill look the other way this time... but next time youre out~" I doubt i would have a job for much longer.

    good riddance to a REPEAT OFFENDER!

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    Even putting all those things aside: you have a senior player with a young woman, presumably not just watching telly, in the same year that there have been all sorts of negative publicity about League and AFL players, group sex, rape etc, etc. Just the risk that she might have regrets and claim she was drunk, forced, drugged or similar is worth a sacking for colossal stupidity.

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    who went running to management with the tale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokendown gunfighter View Post
    who went running to management with the tale?
    The family of the "local big fish" found out somehow?? Lote was sacked by the old boys network??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jargan83 View Post
    The family of the "local big fish" found out somehow?? Lote was sacked by the old boys network??
    Apparently yes. The story, as it was told on Offsiders yesterday at least, is that the woman's Dad went to the ARU to complain.

    How exactly in his mind this was the ARUs problem I don't know, and I wonder if the response from the family would have been the same regardless of the player involved.

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    suppose if his daughter was with an AFL star,it would have been ok

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