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    Flitting between franchises dilutes origin idea

    Flitting between franchises dilutes origin idea

    Spiro Zavos | March 3, 2009


    JOHN CONNOLLY, the doughty and successful coach of Queensland in their glory days of the "it's great to be an Australian, and even better to be a Queenslander" attitude, has proposed a rugby union state of origin match. The idea has some merit but it really reflects a back-to-the-future obsession when the main game for Queensland was to defeat NSW.

    Super rugby, with the shifting of players from one franchise to another, has taken the edge out of the fanatical (for Queenslanders, at least) rivalry.

    Scott Fava, who is in the Waratahs squad, has played for all four Australian Super 14 franchises, for instance. The rise of the Brumbies, too, has meant that when Queensland beat NSW (for the rivalry is more passionate among Queenslanders than it is south of the border) the team and its supporters cannot indulge in unmitigated bragging rights as the best state side in Australia.

    The thought struck me on Sunday, while I watched the Reds run the ball incessantly at the bulky Cheetahs, that the bright young coach Phil Mooney and the QRU's high-performance manager Ben Whitaker are re-inventing Queensland rugby. The days of the closed-fist forward packs and five-eighths who kicked incessantly are gone. The enforcers are being morphed into the entertainers.

    And this brings us to an issue that has been dogging the Waratahs for a couple of years - their entertainment factor. The paradox about rugby in the professional era as opposed to the amateur era is that results justified the way a team played, even when that play was boring.

    But in the professional era, teams have to win and be entertaining to draw in the crowds. And being entertaining is almost as important in the equation as winning. When winning attractively is achieved, as it was in the glory days of the Brumbies under foundation coach Rod Macqueen, the franchise has the win-win situation. Great results stimulate the development of a strong and passionate supporter base.

    So the mantra that "winning ugly is better than losing pretty" is only partially correct. Last season, coach Ewen McKenzie, with his job under threat, determined that winning trumped entertaining as the driving-force ambition of the Waratahs. He succeeded in getting the Waratahs into the finals but the supporters did not like what they were seeing. Many thousands of them stayed away.

    On Friday night, with the Waratahs playing at home after an away and home victory to start the season, fewer than 20,000 turned up at the Sydney Football Stadium.


    From what we saw on Friday night, the Waratahs are not too far off turning the ugly aspects of their play into more pleasing play. The team is solid in its set pieces, which is a tribute to Michael Foley. You can't play entertaining rugby effectively, something that the Reds are starting to understand, without a strong set piece. The Reds' scrum almost melted in the extreme heat on Sunday and the pressure from the massive Cheetahs pack.

    All the dominant and entertaining teams in Super rugby - the Blues in the first three years, the Brumbies and the Crusaders in all their triumphs - have had strong, hard-working and effective packs. One reason the Sharks and the Bulls have stood out so far this season as likely champions and are unbeaten - with the Waratahs - the tournament is that their brilliant backs are being given room and time to run by their rampaging, dominant packs.

    NSW have the backs to play the ensemble game that is effective and attractive. The test will be how many times the gifted centre Rob Horne gets a chance to run the ball. If Kurtley Beale can release Horne you'd expect the Waratahs to beat the Reds comfortably - and at their own new running game.


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    http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/n...e#contentSwap1

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    One way to keep a Qld v NSW rivalry alive may be, when (assuming they are still touring by then) the Lions next come to Australia, two of the fixtures for the Lions could be against a true state of origin selection from each and then soon after, without affecting the Wallaby fixtures involved, play them head to head.

    The only other window is by way of a Wallaby selection trial each year between the S14 Final and the first Test.

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    not to sure what he is talking about in regards to the reds forwards, going on the match i witnessed i saw a quite stable set-piece from the Reds, quick clean ball off a stable platform, it was actually the Cheetahs scrum which was getting pushed back.

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    Hot ratings for league fail to fire rugby's interest



    March 7, 2009


    JOHN CONNOLLY's suggestion that NSW and Queensland should think about staging an annual rugby union state of origin match - an idea which at first glance looked to have merit - has apparently failed to excite the interest of rugby officials.

    This might be because they don't think the idea is workable, given that the Brumbies and Western Force would be reluctant to release their contracted players for the match. Or it could be because NSW and Queensland have progressed too far already with another proposal - an extended series of matches each year between the Waratahs and Reds.

    Still, Connolly, a former Wallabies coach, might be right in suggesting that a rugby union state of origin would fill the Sydney Football Stadium. The match would probably attract a decent television audience in the two states, too. After all, it would be based on a successful model - league's annual Origin series.

    The remarkable thing about the Origin series is that, close to 30 years after its inception, it still seems to be growing in popularity, at least on TV. Last year's Origin I on Channel Nine was the most-watched Origin match since the present OzTam rating system began in 2001. Origin II then topped Origin I, after which Origin III topped them both with an average audience of 2.144 million.

    NRL attendances are holding up well, too. Last year's average of 15,591 was about the same as in the previous two years - 15,750 in 2007 and 15,600 in 2006 - and only slightly down on the 2005 figure, 16,468, the highest on record.

    All in all, 2008 was a very good year for league, a point made by a documentary that Nine is screening tomorrow at 4pm. The program is essentially a review of the 2008 season, complete with action footage and interviews, but the overall message is clear: 100 years after its birth in Australia the 13-man code is in robustly good health.

    How the financial crisis affects the game's popularity remains to be seen. The expectation is that many league fans will choose to stay at home and watch the games on TV rather than incur the various costs of attending matches. So crowd numbers could well be down this year, but TV ratings up.

    Meanwhile, rugby union is still struggling to climb out of the popularity slump it fell into four or five years ago, so for the time being it hardly seems much of a threat to league. Yet league people are more prickly on the subject of union than ever, the obvious reason being the ongoing defection of league stars to northern hemisphere union.

    Sonny Bill Williams's promised appearance in the Wallabies-Barbarians match in June is the unkindest cut of all. Is it just a stunt, as the league fraternity is suggesting? Probably, although stunts can be worth watching. Channel Seven intends to televise the match live knowing that, with SBW on the field, plenty of league fans will tune in.

    In tomorrow's documentary, league people are asked about this loss of players to union. One old-time player, Noel Kelly, says: "In our day rugby league used to raid rugby union and we didn't worry too much about what we were doing to rugby union in those days, so we can hardly stand up and say, 'Oh, rugby union is raiding us now.' If they want to go [to union], let them go. This game has been on its feet for 100 years and we're getting invaded, but it's just a challenge, you know. It'll come out."

    http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/sport/...842658268.html

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    JOHN CONNOLLY lives in the past.... what about a 4 team mini national comp after the super 14... and a few less tests... Do we need to play the Babaas and Italy...I rather see a small national comp for a month...

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    knuckles should just give up. he is not wanted as a coach nor is he wanted as a journo. seriously.

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    he has really lost the plot this time. it's to go.........JC
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    Knuckles has been roasted all round over this one. I'm neither for or against this one, being a Sandgroper. But with the amount of howling that went on after the Force recruitment drive and the possibility of another round when Melbourne gets the nod, isn't that the recipe that first got the NRL origin concept running? The only difference is that now NSW (led by Kearns) & Queensland are both feeling aggrieved.

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    is that documentary going to be on in Perth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jargan83 View Post
    is that documentary going to be on in Perth?
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    Que?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jargan83 View Post
    is that documentary going to be on in Perth?
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    doesn't look like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by travelling_gerry View Post
    All in all, 2008 was a very good year for league, a point made by a documentary that Nine is screening tomorrow at 4pm. The program is essentially a review of the 2008 season
    See above Frenchy
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    Quote Originally Posted by beige View Post
    doesn't look like it
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudskipper View Post
    JOHN CONNOLLY lives in the past.... what about a 4 team mini national comp after the super 14... and a few less tests... Do we need to play the Babaas and Italy...I rather see a small national comp for a month...
    well yes they do need to play countries like Italy, its part of the IRB vision, you cant just continually have blockbuster matches against England

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOCC View Post
    well yes they do need to play countries like Italy, its part of the IRB vision, you cant just continually have blockbuster matches against England
    TOCC there are plenty of international matches each... but 1 month of 4 OZ team play offs for Wallabies jersey might be good... all the other international matches.... BAA bAAs isn't needed... Your not backing Knuckles are you TOCC ?

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