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    I realise that teaching is a high stress profession, and without having done it I would guess that it is also a very isolating one. The thing that I notice at the school my kids attend is that the parents expect the teachers to be perfect and solve every problem their child has for them, however the teachers themselves seem to retreat behind the school system and not quite take responsibility for themselves.
    I'm guessing that many young male teachers also find it hard when the students challenge their authority to be in control. Unfortunately their own self-doubt gets in the way and they end up feeling stressed and then angry. They probaly then feel more self-doubt as they didn't take up teaching to be angry at their students, instead they did it wanting to help them. My observation of teachers in country towns is that they tend to only socialise among themselves, it's probaly because they find it hard to socialise with parents and friends of their students. Their are two sides to this, one is the expectation of the community for a perfect person to be a teacher and the other is that the teacher is trying to appear to be a authouritarian figure.
    This is a recipe for disaster. A depressed person is usually very withdrawn and lost in their own thoughts.
    The answer is ultimately that we need each others support, parents need to support the teacher not blame them for every problem and teachers need to be able to ask for help when they need it. A bit of understanding can go along way.

    I remember a teacher who rather hated me, early in high school. He taught english and in class discussions about books I always managed to express opinions about people which were very negative and I no longer believe. The reason I believed these things was because I was depressed, anxious, suicidal and had post traumatic stress disorder, however I was/am very good at not letting it show. I can see now that he was angry at me because my opinions challenged his own and his authority within the classroom, however his anger only served to reinforce my beliefs that everyone around me was awful/hateful etc (I thought the novel 1984 was a perfect sumation of human character).
    I see interactions similar to this being played out all around me in my nation, I only wish that people could show each other a little more compassion. Aussies pull together in the worst of times and find strength to face terrible things in each other (it's why we remember the war years so often) and afterwards we have a laugh together. I only wish we could do it all the time.

    I'm a person who has had my inner voice end up at I DESERVE TO DIE on continuous loop, and I am lucky to have survived it and will never look down upon anyone else who is struggling to cope. I am reasonably unusual in that I have suffered from these mental illnesses but am also able to understand them at an intellectual level, it gives me an unusual perspective.
    The last thing that I can say is that we experience stress when we are afraid, we are very uncomfortable with expressing fear in our society. Instead of expressing fear we use the stress to generate anger and ultimately we come to hate the thing that we are afraid of. The way I have gotten better is to accept that I was afraid, to allow myself to feel my fears and face them. Most of them were unrealistic and only existed in my mind.

    I hope all of this isn't way to much information for anyone, and that maybe it might help someone.

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    Seriously Cowboy, you should go on the speaking circuit!
    I reckon there would be plenty in the country areas who wouldn't admit to needing to hear that kind of thing shared.
    If you are half a show at talking as openly as you write then you should be making yourself known to your community health mob.

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    I remember September 11, I was on my way home from a meeting at the WACA when the first plane hit. I was up untill 2:30am watching the whole thing unfold. Got to school the following morning late, but it was cool as I had History first and they were watching the news as anyway.

    I also remember the brawl at lunch that day as a few Muslim students had been saying some rather nasty things about the whole thing (Death to Americans was one of the nicer things they said ) all day and it just erupted at Lunch. Me, Badger and some other mates were playing Rugby on the opposite field to where it broke out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    Seriously Cowboy, you should go on the speaking circuit!
    I reckon there would be plenty in the country areas who wouldn't admit to needing to hear that kind of thing shared.
    If you are half a show at talking as openly as you write then you should be making yourself known to your community health mob.
    Thanks mate, I'm hoping to write something that might be helpful to everyone. Maybe speaking to everyone is still a little too scary just yet and I enjoy milking my cows too much to give it up. After that I am going to let it go, and get on with enjoying my life (it's a bloody good one) rather than enduring it.

    Cheers guy's (& gals/sheila's etc).

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    I agree, good work Cowboy. I too have had my dark times, through one reason and another.........It does help to talk stuff out, and blokes aren't good at that are we? I know it's really really off topic but the reason country teachers usually only socialise with other teachers are many. The main one is....they are hanging out with their work mates....nobody seems to complain when miners hang around with miners...farmers hang around with farmers and so on, but teachers hanging around with teachers? Second, many country teachers are simply hanging out for the transfer back to the city...I don't hold much truck with this POV myself, but I know it exists and can understand it to some extent. Thirdly, It's bloody hard to go and have a beer with the parents of some kids...and in a country town, well, let's face it it can be hard to avoid people and you don't want to spend your entire life talking about a kid who is a shit in your classroom....you need to escape!

    Mums and dads always want to know how their kids are going at school, and don't think of the social setting as a taboo time to talk about this, but sometimes as a teacher you need to grab some space from the classroom and having a 'no work talk' policy can do just that. Now I am talking from 18 years experience and I am now able to socialise quite easily with parents (and a few ex-students, Jono can attest to that) but those skills (and particularly the self-confidence as a teacher) don't come straight away. Most country teachers are new, most new teachers are girls......why? I dunno, probably because a young bloke looks at the wage and the conditions and says 'if I can make twice as much laying bricks.....'

    The country needs more good teachers.......country people need to value their teachers...even the ones who they're not so happy with because the only way you'll get good ones is for the whisper to go around the profession that XXXXX is a bloody great place to teach, the locals are really friendly and look after you!

    You can get back to topic now!

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    Thanks mate.

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    An addendum to Gigs, the vast majority of teachers to come through the two schools in town would be a) first year placement, b) female & c) by legal definition alcoholics. Not in a socially unacceptable way, but after having their idyllic notion of changing lives in the bush beaten out of them by the disgraceful behaviour of feral children in Term 1, they turn to longing for the weekly parties and the end of each term.

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    What's the legal definition of an alcoholic, Burgs? Someone who drinks more than you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
    An addendum to Gigs, the vast majority of teachers to come through the two schools in town would be a) first year placement, b) female & c) by legal definition alcoholics. Not in a socially unacceptable way, but after having their idyllic notion of changing lives in the bush beaten out of them by the disgraceful behaviour of feral children in Term 1, they turn to longing for the weekly parties and the end of each term.
    Do they still all cheese it to the city at 3:00 PM every Friday?

    I remember that was the way things went when I lived in Kal

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    There seem to be a few Gero trips but they don't have the stamina for regular 2000kms round trips.

    Legal/official, whatever. Generally around 2-3 drinks/day isn't it?
    I can assure you that many exceed my daily intake if averaged out.
    I only really drink at all if I'm in Perth now days.
    So binge drinker, yes, defined alchoholic, no.

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    It wasn't only school teachers who did that when I worked in Kal. .....

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    Just taking the piss, Burgs. But what was that Shakespeare said?

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    "Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!", or "Get thee to a nunn'ry, why woulds't thou be a breeder of sinners?" or maybe "Asses are made to bear, and so are you"???

    He said a lot of shit

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    "Who steals my purse steals trash" is perhaps the closest to the mark

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