Denied residency

[Skiza]

Because our government has effectively underwritten the cost of our health their are now members of it that believe they now have the right to dictate how we live our lives based upon what it may cost the health system. You may have noticed other posts where the goverment health nazi's are campaigning against a low level of alcohol consumption (I think they are trying for 2 drinks a day to be considered a problem and 3 drinks a binge) and they do it carrying the flag of "cost to the health system". It's a load of crap and undermines everything that I think is good about us.

What about tobacco? In roads have certainly been made with this issue.

Last year, i would've been with you Cowboy, but as part of my degrees at university i study health units and particularly health promotion...and i have to disagree with your statement. Alcohol is costing this country's health system and also justice system. Not as much as such areas as physical inactivity and mental health, but it certainly does impact on it. Not that i mind the odd drink or two myself, but it is a social problem.

Furthermore, if every person did some form of moderate exercise for 30 minutes (per day) over at least 5 days a week, the health system would save millions of dollars on physical inactivity related disease....this is really not a very hard thing to achieve.

Its amazing some of the things you learn at university, that the public is not aware of...and i have also learnt that the government can make some pretty erroneous judgements such as in this case.

I think he should definitely be granted residency.

[Cowboy]

Last year, i would've been with you Cowboy, but as part of my degrees at university i study health units and particularly health promotion...and i have to disagree with your statement. Alcohol is costing this country's health system and also justice system.

My wife also once did her degree in health promotion and this is why i understand alot of the thinking behind it. You are right, alcohol does cause problems within our community and creates costs to our health system. My point is that for very good reasons of social equity our nation has a publicly funded health system, however because our health is effectively funded by the government health promotion has extended this to thinking that it hs the right to make individuals decisions for them because "it will cost the government".

There are two parts to this that I completely disagree with. One is the concept of goverment being displayed - it is no longer a representation of our people but instead a force above them with the right to control them. The other concept is that because our nation has underwritten my health I am no longer free to make decisions about it.

I labled their thinking Health Enforcement as opposed to health promotion, I believe that they are identifying genuine problems but it is their solutions to them that I am opposed to. They undermine every value that I hold on to and that I hope my nation also holds.

Even with tobacco (which some of the programs I agreed with and some I didn't) the thinking of cost to the health system overlooks that everone who doesn't die of a tobacco related illness will still die eventually and presumably at a cost to the health system.

[Burgs]

3 drinks is binging, bloody hell

Skiz, if everyone did at least thirty minutes a day there'd be no one on TWF

[LarryNJ]

3 drinks is binging, bloody hell

Skiz, if everyone did at least thirty minutes a day there'd be no one on TWF

Here's a great way to get a cardio workout while your typing on TWF! All for only $40!

http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/12...xercise-mouse/

[Burgs]

I get nervous about any links from you with the word "slippery" in them Lazz

He wouldn't want to rely on my typing speed...

[LarryNJ]

[Burgs]

All's well that ends well I guess.
I'm sure the community of Horsham would be delighted.

German doctor with disabled son granted residency by immigration minister

Article from: AAP

A DECISION to deny a German doctor and his family permanent residency because his son had Down syndrome has been overturned by the immigration minister.

Bernhard Moeller, a specialist physician, moved his family to Horsham, in Victoria's west, two years ago to help fill a doctor shortage.

But the Migration Review Tribunal (MRT) yesterday upheld the immigration department's decision to deny Dr Moeller's permanent visa application because his 13-year-old son has Down syndrome and was deemed a potential drain on the health system.

Dr Moeller's case generated public outrage, putting pressure on immigration minister Chris Evans to intervene in the case.

Senator Evans said he received Dr Moeller's application for ministerial intervention this morning and approved it several hours later.

"It was clear to me that Dr Moeller and his family are making a very valuable contribution to their local community," Senator Evans told the Senate.

"Dr Moeller is providing a much needed service in the area, the family have integrated very well and they have substantial community support."

Their continued presence in Australia will be beneficial to our society, he said.

"I'm pleased they have chosen to call Australia home," he said.

Senator Evans expressed his regret at the stress the family had been subjected to throughout their application process.

[fulvio sammut]

There, everyone happy now?

Now let's get back to bagging those refugees. They use the weak excuse of wanting to escape being murdered in Iraq or Afghanistan and have the cheek to think of coming here.

They're not like that German doctor who doesn't have his own civilized country to return to where there is universal health care, social security and the rule of law.

They're not like that poor German who simply misunderstood that a two year contract is a two year contract and a two year visa is a two year visa and that a wealthy country has an obligation to support and nuture its own disabled..They're not ignorant and stupid and uneducated like him.

No, these refugee bastards just want to come here to bludge off us and our government. They just think coming to a country where they don't speak the language, where their qualifications are not recognised, where they are abused, sneered at and treated like animals is water of a duck's back as long as they get $200 a week in handouts which barely pays their subsistence food bill, let alone their slum accomodation.

And it's not as if Australia has in any way contributed to the mayhem and social disruption in their countries, is it?

No we only need white queue jumpers, not those dark skinned woggy types who don't even believe in our God.

Sink their boats, I say!

[Burgs]

Trying getting a doctors appointment in the bush Fulv.
Your sarcastic remarks are all valid but it doesn't make this outcome any less valid.
It's all well and good living to idealistic morals and principles until it is your son, daughter, partner, parent or even employee that is dying in an ambulance because the nearest doctor is three hours away.

[fulvio sammut]

Hey, there are separate issues here.

If you need Doctors, and God knows we do, recruit them. Give them permanent residency, promise them the earth at the time of recruitment, and honour your commitment. I have no issue with that.

But if this man was contracted to come here on a short term visa, knowing all the conditions, Why should different rules apply to him than to any other work visa holder when it turns out the existing conditions no longer suit? Others have to go home and apply again.

And why, when extending sympathy to him, do some posters have to make unfavourable and disparaging comparisons to refugees? What is the point of comparison they are trying to make? Since when does comparing apples with oranges constitute the rational application of logic?

Burgs, my issue is not with you, as I suspect you know well. I respect your fair mindedness. I just wish others would think of what they are saying before they post.

[LarryNJ]

A win for the country folk! It's about time.

I just wish others would think of what they are saying before they post.

Than it would be boring! I say just type without thinking it's much more fun!

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Sink their boats, I say!

I agree you have to stop the bastards before they get in because once the are in the Bleeding Heart Liberal *ucks will open our check books and give them everything!

[zimeric]

im a relatively recent migrant and i can say that it wouldve been easier to come over on a boat.
Although i was overqualified for my job the requirement was for me to complete 18 months of TAFE before i could apply for residency and get a job.
I dont bemaon this requirement i think its great that there are rigid controls on who comes in as a skilled migrant. The problem is that there are so many loopholes and grey areas that almost anyone can get in if they are persistent enough.

when i see people come over with no papers no way of the authorities of knowing if they were ever real refugees and they get in.. after a short stint in a detention centre. they even get a helping hand when released into the communty.. it makes me MAD!!

[blueandblack]

We don't have any Bleeding Heart Liberals. Our Liberals are right-wing, GWB-loving pollies. you probably meant 'liberals'.

[Swee_82]

I agree you have to stop the bastards before they get in because once the are in the Bleeding Heart Liberal *ucks will open our check books and give them everything!

im a relatively recent migrant and i can say that it wouldve been easier to come over on a boat.

Are these examples of those 'fun' provacative statements?

Honestly, to suggest that any welfare recipient has 'everything' is pretty laughable (soon-to-arrive Christmas bonuses for all and sundry excepted) and given the choice between dishing out a few hundred dollars a week to a) a genuine refugee or b) someone who despite having the overwhelming good fortune to have been born in Australia, and all the opportunities that brings with it, still manages to spend every day on the couch drinking pre-mixed bourbon and cola and getting stuck into the winnie-blues, well, I know who I'd rather send to Woomera.

Interesting time to be discussing all of this, with the recent documentaries on the subject. I missed the one on SBS about the people whose applications were denied and were sent back, but this weeks 'The Howard Years' was on the time around Tampa etc. It's mind boggling that so much effort went into making sure that ship didn't dock, so we weren't forced into respecting international law and processing the refugees, God forbid, and slightly ridiculous that the 'Pacific solution' was worked out on the basis that Naru owed as a favour, as if we'd let them borrow the lawnmower or something.


Man it's early to be worrying about politics....more coffee!

[frontrow]

I am happy in the final decision and i have very strong objections and agreement with a lot of things stated on this thread, but it is the proverbial can of worms and should really be closed by the mods as it may ignite some heated debate if left open...Sorry if this upsets anyone but i for one would rather talk rugby than get my back up over issues out of our control...

ps...this is the first thread i have evr smited anyone, i don't like it...