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Yes?Originally Posted by TOCC
Hehe - I held off the temptation to gloat about the fact that we were going to be there... but I'm glad to see Jedi gave in...!!!
It's fair for you all to be jealous of Jedi, but I've not seen a Force match since March '07, so I reckon it's my turn!
Keeping the Faith ... right here in Perth!
Em - if you can scan in the program and give us the heads up on where Mitchell reckons these guys should be playing ! Pleassssssssssee
ENJOY
61 years between Grand Slams
Oh i'm not jealous of you Em seeing as you live up thereHehe - I held off the temptation to gloat about the fact that we were going to be there... but I'm glad to see Jedi gave in...!!!
It's fair for you all to be jealous of Jedi, but I've not seen a Force match since March '07, so I reckon it's my turn!
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So you agree then???
If you don't, what team has a better back line??? I'd like to know.
The Reds don't even come close. For the next couple years I'd probably say Barnes over O'Connor. But that's about the only Reds player who could get a game with the Force. Once O'Connor has a few years more experience even Barnes might not be good enough. Now you guys don't even have Moore...man the Reds are going to suck next year.
Oh, you were actually serious? Cmon now, the best backline in WORLD rugby, without one player who is the best in their position. Sure they're all decent players.. but
Giteau < Carter
O'Connor < Barnes, Tahu, Brett, DeVilliers, Nonu...
Cross < Mortlock, Staniforth, Smith...
Staniforth < Turner, Tuqiri, Siviavatu, Rokococo, Habana, Ojo, the entire population of Fiji
Shepherd < Latham, MacDonald, Jantes
I notice that Mitchell didn't get a mention in your comparisons. Guess that means you think he's the best at his position.
Oh, you were actually serious? Cmon now, the best backline in WORLD rugby, without one player who is the best in their position. Sure they're all decent players.. but
Giteau < Carter
O'Connor < Barnes, Tahu, Brett, DeVilliers, Nonu...
Cross < Mortlock, Staniforth, Smith...do you mean Tyrone Smith or is there another Smith I'm just not thinking of??? If you do mean Tyrone, hahaha, maybe in 10 years once Cross has retired, but not any time soon
Staniforth < Turner, Tuqiri, Siviavatu, Rokococo, Habana, Ojo, the entire population of Fiji I'd take Staniforth over Turner, Rokococo and Ojo
Shepherd < Latham, MacDonald, Jantes
The whole idea of the best team or group of players is that each of them might not be the best in their position, but if they are all very close, put together they could be the best lineup on the field.
Maybe it's a bit over the top to say best in the world, maybe I could limit it to best in Super 14, or best non-country. And obviously a lot depends on how well O'Connor does. But he did look great in those couple games at the end of this year. And in my opinion a lot better than Horne did in his few games. And all the rugby "experts" seem to think Horne is going to be the next jesus.
Backline doesn't mean one player does it? Every backline has its weak links yet the Force backline posted has the least of which as the players are all good players.
So what's the problem?
Conrad Smith
Missed Mitchell, he's at least quick, but still prone to stupid mistakes. I'd pick Siviavatu, Habana, and several others before him.
Staniforth is a quality centre, a better 13 than Cross I beleive. But he's not quick, and not a top wing. In the Lote mold of a strong line breaking winger, but not as strong or as line-breaking as Lote.
There are far better units in the Super 14 than this backline you've picked, and regardless of your backline quality it wont do much good when your forwards can't secure good ball.
Best domestic backline? Probably Toulon.
Best Super 14 backline? Blues, on their day. Notable mentions from Hurricanes, Chiefs, Crusaders, Sharks, Stormers, Waratahs, Brumbies.
Best Australian backline? Tahs of course, scored tries every week, unlike the Force who went a few weeks without any.
Horne is NOT the next Jesus, one Jesus at the Tahs is more than enough. Horne is a quality player though. 2nd quickest player in Australia, huge defence, plays above his weight. Hope he can stay injury free.
Mitchell - brain farts
Giteau - he's awesome, shame he'll go to the Brumbies in 2010
O'Connor - 2nd season syndrome
Cross - consistant
Staniforth - slow
Shepherd - slow, fat, buggered knee
10 Giteau
11 Hynes
12 Barnes
13 Mortlock
14 Tuqiri
15 Shepherd
Bench:
Cross
Mitchell
Let's see....1 of 8....yeah the Tahs did well on first choice Wallaby selections.
The only reason the Tah backline gets tries is because your forwards play well as a unit and you've got the best half back in Australia.
mate, the 9 is still part of the backline, you can't just leave out Burgess and Tahu cause it helps your point!
and what happened to "The whole idea of the best team or group of players is that each of them might not be the best in their position, but if they are all very close, put together they could be the best lineup on the field. " ? Now it's about the best in each position
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mate, the 9 is still part of the backline, you can't just leave out Burgess and Tahu cause it helps your point!
and what happened to "The whole idea of the best team or group of players is that each of them might not be the best in their position, but if they are all very close, put together they could be the best lineup on the field. " ? Now it's about the best in each position
I never had the 9 in there from the start. I guess it is technically part of what is generally referred to as the "backline." But I chose to exclude it in this case and was just concentrating on the 10-15 positions. The main reason I left it out, is because I dont' really know who is going to start there for the Force next year. But O'Young or Valentine, still wouldn't make much of a difference to the quality of the backline.
Your argument about me talking group in one sentence and then individuals in the next is ridiculous. I mentioned group when you looked at each individual position and named players who were better at that specific position. Players you named were from a number of different teams. For instance you named Nonu but not a single other Hurricane player. So it makes sense that Nonu may be better than the single Force player, but the group of Force players are better than what the Hurricanes have to offer. Then I went to individual players when you said the Tahs group is better than the Force group. 10-15, is 6 players. 4 out of the Forces 6 made the Wallabies first choice 22. Only 1 of the Tahs did. Even as a group, do you think the 5 Tah players that didn't make the Wallabies are that much better than the 2 Force ones that didn't make the Wallabies to make up for the 4-1 playing for the Wallabies???
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