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Teething problems over, time for Super teams to step up to mark
Wayne Smith | January 29, 2008
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...012430,00.html
AFTER going into freefall following the admission of a fourth team, will this be the season that Australian rugby finally comes to terms with the demands of the Super 14?
It was not entirely unexpected that the overall winning ratio of Australian teams, which had dropped below 50 per cent only twice in a decade of Super 12, should plummet to 41.5 per cent in 2006, the first year resources had to be spread four ways following the admission of Western Force.
But no-one foresaw the calamity of 2007, when Queensland and NSW slumped to the bottom of the Super 14 table as Australian teams cobbled together only 20 wins from 52 matches.
For the first time in Super rugby, Australia brought up the rear while South Africa was telegraphing its rise to world champion by narrowly eclipsing New Zealand on winning percentages, its five teams finishing on 53.62 to the Kiwis' 52.23.
Waratahs coach Ewen McKenzie has no doubt Australia's statistical decline can be attributed to the four-way division of available talent where previously it had been shared just by NSW, Queensland and the ACT.
"People tend to wipe that off, but there's no disputing that, if you're dividing by four rather than three, you're going to be diluting the strength of your teams," McKenzie said. "You can't argue it any other way."
On the verge this year of equalling the legendary Dave Brockhoff as the longest-serving NSW coach, although Brockhoff brought up his five seasons in three stints, McKenzie is heartened by statistics that prove a direct correlation between the ages and experience of the 14 squads and their finishing order on the table.
"The Bulls might have overachieved in this regard but, generally, they were the factors that determined where you finished on the table," he said.
"We were the second bottom team in terms of age and experience last season and the Reds were bottom - and that's where we finished.
"There might not seem to be a lot of difference between an average squad member age of 26 years and 23, but you can pack a lot of work into three years of professional rugby. Last year we had 12 debutants, this year we've got a possible three.
"When you take Anton Oliver and Carl Hayman out of the Highlanders' front row, or Chris Jack out of the Crusaders' second row, you'll find the relative experience of those teams drops pretty quickly."
That's not an argument that Brumbies supporters would want to hear, not after losing 364 caps worth of Super rugby experience when George Gregan, Steve Larkham and Jeremy Paul all left at the end of last season.
And with Stirling Mortlock not expected to return until April as he recovers from an off-season shoulder reconstruction, that's an additional 99 caps of experience that will be missing for at least the first half of this season.
Still, there is at least one other statistic the Brumbies can take comfort in. Their coach, Laurie Fisher, is the most successful of the Australian-based Super rugby coaches, with a 59 per cent winning record. This compares with McKenzie's 53 and the Force's John Mitchell's 27 (35 per cent if his 10 wins with the Chiefs in 2001-2002 are considered).
Queensland's Phil Mooney will make his Super coaching debut against the Highlanders on February 15 at Suncorp Stadium, having inherited the underperforming Reds from Eddie Jones (two wins from 13 matches) and Jeff Miller (12 from 35).
All four clubs also should benefit from the fact that for the first and possibly last time, Australia last year staged a post-Super domestic competition that should have helped to negate the advantages provided to South Africa by the Currie Cup and to New Zealand by the National Provincial Championship.
McKenzie is convinced young playmaker Kurtley Beale, who will direct operations for the Waratahs against the Brumbies in the pre-season trial at Gosford on Friday night, grew in stature and confidence as a result of playing in the now defunct Australian Rugby Championship.
There are similar stories across the other three clubs.
Meanwhile, in the absence of regular skipper John Roe, Mooney has entrusted the captaincy of a near-full strength Reds side to play an All Blacks-laden Blues at Ballymore on Thursday night to Sam Cordingley.
when is he going to get over it maybe with another team developing more players then there might be a bigger group of players to divide in the future."People tend to wipe that off, but there's no disputing that, if you're dividing by four rather than three, you're going to be diluting the strength of your teams," McKenzie said. "You can't argue it any other way."
i think the Australian teams have recoverd from the force taking the players from over east. All 4 teams are looking like they have a chance at making the top half this year.
NZ has just over the population of Perth and they spread the talent 5 ways???? Does this mean the talent in Aust is that thin??????? Or is it the east coast teams moaning AGAIN about the Force???
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i think NZ has about 4 million people which is like QLD or VIC i think but they have about the same amount of union players as Australia. i think alot more Australians quit rugby before they get to seniors.
i think the problem is the gap between s14 and club rugby and because there is nothing between it some players just cant break into the next level. If they had a provisional competition then they will have a better chance of making it.
i think they all need to HTFU.
the fact that there was only a couple of mentions of the force, and none of them positive completley strips that article of any credibility.
it also says that they are the only teams struggling
Dont worry about any mention of the Force from Smith. He is the best rugby writer in Australia by the proverbial and normally pushes ourbarrow in the media.
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I heard about a competition called the ARC once........but then it was shafted by the girls in the East.
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Here are the latest figures from the IRB across the respective SANZAR Countries Rugby Communities, I believe the Senior Male Player figure to be the most relevant when comparing Test Nations rather than Total Males:
(Australia - New Zealand - South Africa)
Number Of Clubs: 752 520 NA
Number Of Registered Players: 66,395 141,726 464,477
Number of Referees: 4,821 2,309 2,056
Pre-teen Male Players: 18,200 57,500 169,980
Pre-teen Female Player: 500 5,023 2,248
Teen Male Player: 17,100 45,478 129,191
Teen Female Player: 45 4,636 7,595
Senior Male Player: 29,100 27,745 147,650
Senior Female Player: 1,450 1,344 7,813
Total Male Player: 64,400 130,723 446,821
Total Female Player: 1,995 1,1003 17,656
And a couple that I have worked from the above figures that may or may not be a reason:
Number Of Senior Male Players/Club: 38.7 53.3 NA
Number of Junior (Pre-teen & Teen) Male Players/Referees: 7.3 44.6 145.5
Last edited by Burgs; 29-01-08 at 20:55.
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Well it looks to me like junior development and promotion is our biggest need according to those figures!
It also seems that we hare either keeping our senior males playing longer than the other two countries, or we had a much greater number of juniors a few years ago and we are likely to see some lean times soon!
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Yeah, would love to see those SMP's for at least Australia by year group Gigs.
Was about to start doing a Junior to Senior comparison but then realised it would really mean nothing for the reasons you just gave.
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Yeah, as a bit of a justification, this post by flame mentions the boom under JO'N's last appointment, we could well be in the middle of the fruits of that success.
And then he presides over a regime which slashes player salaries and is ignorant of development initiatives like the ARC Me No Gettit!
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i hope it has always been like this because in 10 years the international teams will be chosen from these groups and it looks like the boks are in the best situation.Originally Posted by burgs
Yeah, the Boks have long had the numbers there Jazz, I wouldn't get too concerned about that.
Pretty huge numbers there none the less, second only to England in all male figures as I recall of last years figures.
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