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    Quote Originally Posted by Scozzie View Post
    Surely a bit of credit has to go to the "plods" they were up against for making a game of it.....? I thought it was a good game to watch, nailbiting stuff, and I just hope the Wallabies go all the way now....!!
    A little bit of credit

    Scotland were tougher than both Wales and England!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jargan83 View Post
    A little bit of credit

    Scotland were tougher than both Wales and England!!
    With the form of Scottish rugby over the past 20 years or so.......I'll take that...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scozzie View Post
    With the form of Scottish rugby over the past 20 years or so.......I'll take that...!
    They deserve it Scozzie, they played well!

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    Yes, and I don't think Craig Joubert will be on his Christmas card list any more.......??
    I really don't understand the Sottish media beat up of this one. Apart from the dodgy yellow card (which was the TMO painting Joubert into a bit of a corner which he didn't bother exiting) and the penalty at the end (which was fair IMHO) Joubert was his usual hometown ref, pretty much ignoring the fact that Australia had a dominant scrum and Scotland were dealing with it by pushing off line and falling on their faces.

    I think beating that drum does nothing more than cheapen what was a great result for Scotland, shaking up an Australian team who went into the match complacent, but weren't allowed to fix their problems when they woke up.

    I think, at best, it was even and at worst he probably damages the Wallabies more than the Scots.

    Can we just agree he was inaccurate at times but didn't have much of an impact on the match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    pushing off line and falling on their faces.
    I think Scott Sio would agree with that assertion.

    It's not looking too good for him next week either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    I think beating that drum does nothing more than cheapen what was a great result for Scotland, shaking up an Australian team who went into the match complacent, but weren't allowed to fix their problems when they woke up.

    I think, at best, it was even and at worst he probably damages the Wallabies more than the Scots.

    Can we just agree he was inaccurate at times but didn't have much of an impact on the match?
    No. I'm not trying to say that Joubert was responsible for the result, it was more in light of a comment from Laidlaw after the game about not going to the TMO for the final penalty decision.

    I'm not going to get into a discussion about decisions around the scrum penalties though, in my opinion, referees who've never played in the front row are not realy in a good position to judge. I'll leave it at that.

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    Wallabies have already won The Rugby Championship once this year, let's make it a double!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scozzie View Post
    No. I'm not trying to say that Joubert was responsible for the result, it was more in light of a comment from Laidlaw after the game about not going to the TMO for the final penalty decision.
    He actually wasn't allowed - in this tournament the TMO can only be used for...
    1) Determining the grounding of the ball in-goal for a try or touchdown and/or whether players were in touch or touch in goal before grounding.
    2) Determining whether a kick at goal has been successful.
    3) Confirm if an infringement has occurred in the build-up to a try or prevention of a try (infringement must be within two phases of the try or touchdown)
    4) Considering acts of possible foul play.

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    Just had a read of what they're saying over the "dutch"

    Subjective view:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/a...ectid=11531482

    And thankfully some objectivity:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/a...ectid=11531436

    Some acknowledgement of the scrum debacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    I think Scott Sio would agree with that assertion.

    It's not looking too good for him next week either.
    Sio ended up injured because neither Joubert or his assistants clamped downed on what the Scottish scrum were doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinBin View Post
    Just had a read of what they're saying over the "dutch"

    Subjective view:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/a...ectid=11531482

    And thankfully some objectivity:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/a...ectid=11531436

    Some acknowledgement of the scrum debacle.
    the grand old timers should refresh themselves with the new rules and know the ref can't go to the TMO FFS. makes good copy though.

    if any team should be aggrieved it should be us over Joubert's reffing of the scrum. sio is injured and this does not bode well for us. i think he has been the standout in the front row. if he is not there not sure how we will go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beige View Post
    He actually wasn't allowed - in this tournament the TMO can only be used for...
    1) Determining the grounding of the ball in-goal for a try or touchdown and/or whether players were in touch or touch in goal before grounding.
    2) Determining whether a kick at goal has been successful.
    3) Confirm if an infringement has occurred in the build-up to a try or prevention of a try (infringement must be within two phases of the try or touchdown)
    4) Considering acts of possible foul play.
    According to the article below, the TMO can rule on whether tries or kicks at goal are legitimate:

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/34566964

    Look, I'm again not trying to say the ref was right or wrong in his decision, just that Laidlaw and the Scottish coaching staff were (.....possibly quite rightly) angered by his final penalty decision. I'm not going to let it take anything away from what I thought was a good, competitive game, that could easily have gone either way. As I've said before, I hope the Wallabies can now go all the way, and I believe this current Scottish team can hold their heads high............even if there are a few "ring-ins", but Scotland are not alone there, as discussed in another thread...!

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    Who would be a ref??? and who would be a coach..???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scozzie View Post
    According to the article below, the TMO can rule on whether tries or kicks at goal are legitimate:

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/34566964

    Look, I'm again not trying to say the ref was right or wrong in his decision, just that Laidlaw and the Scottish coaching staff were (.....possibly quite rightly) angered by his final penalty decision. I'm not going to let it take anything away from what I thought was a good, competitive game, that could easily have gone either way. As I've said before, I hope the Wallabies can now go all the way, and I believe this current Scottish team can hold their heads high............even if there are a few "ring-ins", but Scotland are not alone there, as discussed in another thread...!
    Well hopefully this performance means that Scotland is starting to 'punch upwards' instead of 'downwards', which could only be a good thing for the game moving forward!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beige View Post
    Well hopefully this performance means that Scotland is starting to 'punch upwards' instead of 'downwards', which could only be a good thing for the game moving forward!
    I certainly hope so....!

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