Yes, I think he coaches the U20 guys
I'll coach them for FREE
Rugby is a simple game made complicated by dribblers. Too many farking stats. Too much analysis paralysis.
Kiwis have dominated world rugby for 100 years by understanding some simple principles - You need massive forwards that hurt people and backs that have speed and power.
Backs that can't catch and pass don't play professional rugby. 10's that can't kick don't play professional rugby. People that can't tackle don't play professional rugby.
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And people on supporters forums don't coach professional rugby.Originally Posted by Rex Messup
Start with a club 3rd grade team and see how you go. Not bemoaning your passion, but believe you may be underestimating the role just a tad.
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I do it because I love the game.
Coaching is an art more than a science. A good coach can do wonders with a mediocre squad. A bad coach can't do anything even with a talented squad.
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“Everyone knows whether it’s rugby, politics or whatever, front-rowers should rule the world, so to have a hooker at the helm makes sense,” Nathan Charles Western Force & Wallabies Hooker.
A good coach can get a mediocre team performing better, but it's naive in the extreme to think that a good coach is going to be able to get this current Western Force squad into the S15 finals. Watching some of the games at the weekend, there are teams out there with 10, 11 players that are much, much better than ours. They're much faster, much more powerful, stronger etc etc a coach can only do so much with his players..
Nester is the Junior Elite Coach but he's also coaching the Force A team in the Pacific Cup.
but a good coach can put in place the structures, attitude and game plan which will attract those 10 or 11 players. it's kind of a vicious spiral, where the boys play bad, therefore they are coached to minimise the damage, so they play as they're coached, then they fail to achieve that, no decent players want to be a part of an underperforming, demoralised organisation no good players sign, so we're stuck with the same cattle or worse, they play badly.....
C'mon the
and if you have a perceived good coach on the books good players will want to come and play for them eg White and Pocock.
“Everyone knows whether it’s rugby, politics or whatever, front-rowers should rule the world, so to have a hooker at the helm makes sense,” Nathan Charles Western Force & Wallabies Hooker.
I agree, sort of.. "a good coach can put in place the structures, attitude and game plan which will attract those 10 or 11 players."
A good coach will attract players because of those reasons, but unfortunately for most players, money will be the biggest attraction. There's not many players out there willing to take a cut in order to play for a specific coach or a specific team. I'm just loathe to start apportioning a large part of the blame onto Foley's shoulders, not because I don't think he's responsible for the teams performances, but more because it needs to be emphasised that without a high number of quality recruits the WF are really going to go nowhere, irrespective of the quality of the coaching team. We don't want to get to a situation where we are changing coaches every 2 years hoping the next one is the second coming and will turn the teams fortunes around. It's a common theme in many sports, team struggles, new coach recruited, treated as a Messiah that will turn water into wine, team continues to struggle, words like "rebuilding" get bandied around, team still struggling 2 years on, coach is treated like a pariah, summarily dismissed and chased out of town. Repeat...
Look at a lot of the Premiership soccer teams that continually struggle year after year, a lot of them have had 8, 9, 10 managers (coaches) in 10 years. They don't have quality players, their team struggles and the coach gets the blame.. Fans want to have that glimmer of hope that their team will eventually prevail and by blaming the coach that gives them that hope - they have a good team in the making, it's the coach's ineptitude that's inhibiting their performances. Success is just around the corner, all we need is a decent coach. Where really the reality is, it's the lack of $$ in the bank that's stopping them succeeding. And if we go down that path, blaming each and every coach for the teams poor performances we're f**ked and the WF franchise is f**ked.
But we haven't and aren't getting the performances, have lost the money, now have to scramble each year to try and cover for it, are losing members, so everything is heading in the wrong direction money-wise and we must therefore be even more f**ked...?
Something has to turn it around. If we are not going to change the structure and team, then you are confident that going on as we are will see our fortunes change? I happen to agree that changing the coaching team is not necessarily the way to go, but there is something that isn't working and needs to go. If like their predecessors this group bloody-mindedly continues with things that don't work, eventually they'll have to go the same way.
Wasn't adressing WF coaching team directly nor was I trying to start a flame war. The point was that some coaches are able to utilise available players at maximum output and some aren't. White and Mcgahan are probably good current examples of the former.
Good coaches aren't always successful everywhere they go (Mckenzie at Stade Francais for instance). The environment has to be correct and the whole organisation has to be moving in the same direction (eg Reds rebirth) and it doesn't always happen overnight (how long did it take the bulls to climb out of the cellar?).
So a good coach isn't the only requirement, but it is a key piece of the puzzle.
From a force perspective, perhaps we should try a younger coach (suggestions?) with a more experienced consultant/mentor retained for advice etc (that way you don't have to try and lure the experienced person to perth as that role could be done via the web as with kicking coaches in the past).
Foley should never have got the job in the first place once cheika did his thing it should have gone to the next best but no we got what the tahs didn’t want.
If you want a young bloke Todd Louden is your man and if you want an older guy to mentor Robbie Deans is still kicking around in Sydney.
“Everyone knows whether it’s rugby, politics or whatever, front-rowers should rule the world, so to have a hooker at the helm makes sense,” Nathan Charles Western Force & Wallabies Hooker.
Are Louden and the Force on good terms? Read somewhere that it may not be so. If he hasn't got a gig maybe it won't matter so much...
Not sure about Mr Deans. Would need more info on what were the causative factors of his sub par performance at Wallaby level.
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