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A few of us are ordinary, garden variety, off the shelf mug punters who for the past 12 years have dutifully handed over our subs for Diamond or Gold Memberships of the Western Force.
Please guys, don't mess with our heads by continually raising false expectations.
If you know something specific or are 100% certain of an outcome, then please let us know. Otherwise, it may be better to say nothing at this stage of proceedings.
I, for one, have had too many disappointments over the past few months (and the past few days in particular).
Agreed, but I'd like to add the warning (which I'm sure John is quite aware of) that tipping your hand too early could easily lose this game.
The stakes couldn't be higher at the moment, and I'd be completely OK with a commitment from Twiggy that if it takes bankrupting the national union to save the Force, he's willing to do it but please, no false hope that the courts are locked in. The case is being heard in NSW and logic just seems a little different over there, as evidenced by the outcome of the alliance arbitration.
Please please please, don't let it go to some secretive bullshit this time unless that carries with it a guarantee for the Force in perpetuity for any provincial competition.
C'mon the
A couple of things are puzzling me. Remember Georgina Robinson's article in the SMH in March I think it was saying that the Force was going to be axed? Was Stooke the leak - or is there another?
Another thing, I haven't read the constitution of the ARU, but I would have thought that the minutes of board meetings would be made available to RugbyWA and the other unions? I thought that the ARU had a federation model constitution - the powers it holds are those that its constituent unions have agreed it to, and that, like pretty much all not-for-profit organisations, any member can ask at any time to be shown the books and minutes?
Surely these would have alerted the teams that something was in the pipeline?
It all depends what was minuted, what was actually passed at board level and what was just water cooler talk between Qld and NSW.
Don't forget, there is no legislated requirement to minute any discussion that isn't either a report to the board or discussion relating to a motion.
The following comes from the corporations act (not entirely relevant, but good for context)
Minutes
(1) A company must keep minute books in which it records within 1 month:
(a) proceedings and resolutions of meetings of the company's members; and
(b) proceedings and resolutions of directors' meetings (including meetings of a committee of directors); and
(c) resolutions passed by members without a meeting; and
(d) resolutions passed by directors without a meeting; and
(e) if the company is a proprietary company with only 1 director--the making of declarations by the director.
and the following comes from the WA guide to incorporation (More relevant to the ARU I think, but a different jurisdiction)
Minutes
Minutes of all meetings especially of the
Annual General Meeting (AGM) and
management committee should be
recorded, approved and filed for easy
retrieval (see also Meetings). Approved
minutes provide an official record of:
• attendance;
• business discussed;
• correspondence received;
• reports tabled;
• decisions made; and
• resolutions adopted.
Recorded decisions should clearly state:
• what decision has been made;
• who will be responsible for its
implementation;
• when the decision is to be
implemented by;
• if the decision is to be reviewed, and if
so, when and by whom; and
• who should be notified of the decision
and how.
In addition to minutes, it is also common
practice for associations to maintain a
register of all significant resolutions
passed by the association.
In neither discussion does it require minutes to be taken of general discussion that doesn't result in a motion or a resolution. Whilst it is typically a convention to record everything that is said, it isn't a requirement. Therefore the member unions might ALREADY have copies of minutes and be blindsided by a sudden appearance of a resolution which enacts something that the board of management has been discussing and planning for months without actually recording (and it could be done legally)
C'mon the
They will follow their usual communication protocols in answering this respected media personality's entirely valid questions.
Speaking of answers to quesitons.
Clyne responded to my email with
Mr Hill
Thank you for your note. I can not comment on a number of the questions you raise while we are subject to legal action but can confirm that at no stage has there been any intention to discontinue the Perth Spirit in the NRC.
Regards
Cameron Clyne
So I guess we can believe that the Perth Spirit are as safe as the Western Force were in June of last year. That makes me supremely confident!
C'mon the
.. "the ARU will hope to hide behind the Bledislow Cup promotions this week.. to defect attention.."
With all due respect to DHP, AC et all, l hope the Black's pummel the Wallabies this weekend to keep the blow torch burning on the board. Unfortunately the Black's usually start the Championship with an off game.
Or, more likely in this case, a subset of the board and/or management.
The ARU is an Australian Public Company. RugbyWA is a shareholder. There are severe penalties for misleading or deceptive conduct by directors of public companies, especially towards shareholders (including personal liability).
All hypothetical, of course.
Publically listed Company? therefore it's Corporations law i'm pretty sure.
Not that there is much of a difference. Probably a lot more stringent penalties for deliberate deception, but the issue is in proving it. You can be sure that any discussions which were kept from the minutes were also kept from potential whistle blowers. If one person cracks, the whole house of cards will come down, until then, everybody helps to keep each other out of the ocean of shit.
C'mon the