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"Bloody oath we did!"
Nathan Sharpe, Legend.
Dont take away DLS, how will i be able to see when im doing my daily prayer at 10pm, or when i get home at 9pm and need to go outside for an hour in the light because i cant do that at 6am, why would i wake up that early.
There is no need for daylight savings in this state other then to keep up with NSW and VIC, oh yea and to have sunlight at 9:30pm every night .
Last edited by jazza93; 06-04-09 at 20:52.
I'm not particularly fussed either way but if its going to happen it has to be for the right reasons. I don't know what they are but if its detrimental to the state's producers, manufacturers and farmers etc then I'd be saying no. Just because people want to have an hour extra sunlight at night time doesn't really cut it as a good enough reason for me. Arguing that it will bring WA out of living in the past is a lame excuse, winding the clock back and forward every few months isn't going to change that. Claiming that driving home at 6pm when the sun is setting and its in your eyes is also lame, if you stayed out for an extra hour then you'd be driving home under the same conditions with the same sun in your eyes. We have done fine without DLS and we will be ok if keep doing what we've done for the past however many years. But as I said I don't really care either way because for me and my lifestyle it doesn't have a great impact, but for others it does.
Yea the amount of light we get is no excuse, the reason it works well in most eastern states is because the sun sets alot earlier over there, the sun rises later and sets later in WA and then we go and make it set even later for no reason.
ban sunlight altogether I reckon
will reduce instances of skin cancer to near zero
now,how can you argue against that
I like daylight savings for genuine reasons, which can't be argued against as they are what they are, purely selfish reasons. I like longer evening light and what it brings me and my family now and in the future and I like the Super 14 rugby starting at 3.30pm rather than 2.30pm on a Friday afternoon.
I respect other peoples opinions and if vote is "No" then so be it.
But, I have found that many of the people who say they are voting no who I have talked to do not have a clue as to why. A lot say they just don't like it but have no real reason apart from, "I don't like it". Ok fair enough I guess. But, when pushed for a reason they make something up that doesn't really make sense. I suggest that they are the ones that just don't like change........I guess that is an argument but not a good one in my opinion.
There are others who passionately use commonly used arguments genuine arguments. Once again when questioned I have found many use arguments that do not impact on them at all. So maybe they have a social conciouse and have chosen their side based on what they feel is right. But I suspect that most do not and have chosen "No" as they just don't like change. Don't get me wrong, by no means am I saying all people are like this but I think quite a few are. What I'm trying to say is that change is something that people tend not to like and when faced with a decision, which does not have a great impact on them, they will go for no change
I fully understand the arguments against daylight savings and have appreciated first hand quite a few, such as Meekatharra during the hot season. Man, it was uncomfortable with 44 degrees at 4.30pm and still many hours of daylight to go. I guess I can understand the kids not going to sleep before dark but I have young ones and have no problem. Maybe I'm lucky that I have black out curtains and air con but before we had them we used thick black plastic over the windows and fans. No problem! In fact the kids sleep longer in daylight savings time, I can't explain that.
For many though the impact on lifestyle is large and I mean for both sides of the argument. This is why we are having a reforendum. But, if you are one of those who fits in the category of "I just don't like change" or "I just don't like it", then look at it from a future perspective. Maybe you will have kids in the future and want to play with them in the evening. Maybe you'll want to walk the dog in daylight in the evening, or even do the garden. Maybe you will be involved in a business that will require you to work the same time as other regions/states. Maybe you will be living in the North where it's a genuine issue. I don't know but make your decision on something better than "I don't like it".
Just a thought.
Go The Force....oh and forgive spelling and grammar.
Just happy to be here
You got this arse about - It starts at 2:30 during DLS and 3:30 normally.I like the Super 14 rugby starting 3.30pm rather than 2.30pm on a Friday afternoon.
As for playing with the kids in the evening - when there is no DLS, I play with the kids in the evening and they are in bed before the sun goes down - makes no difference.
I respect other peoples opinions and if vote is "Yes" then so be it.
But, I have found that many of the people who say they are voting yes who I have talked to do not have a clue as to why. A lot say they just like it but have no real reason apart from, "I like it". Ok fair enough I guess. But, when pushed for a reason they make something up that doesn't really make sense. I suggest that they are the ones that just like change and somehow think it will make their lives better........I guess that is an argument but not a good one in my opinion.
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I dont like it because i HATE getting up in the dark ALL YEAR ROUND!
My son has a set bed time and i have enormous difficulty in the first few weeks of DS trying to get him to go to bed when the sun is still blaring in the windows.
When DS ends he's like a zombie in the evenings and his body clock is all screwed up, (never mind mine).
I also use the airconditioner 1hr more every day because its still 3million degrees when i get home from work and the sea breeze hasnt hit the hills by 5pm. Id love to see how much extra that dents my electrical bill annually.
We live 40kms from the beach so the whole "go down to the beach after work" thing holds little meaning to us... the local parks are ok and they are used a bit but usually its so hot outside that we end up only spending 30mins out there before retreating for the airconditioning.
so i cant see the backside of DS fast enough!!!
I didn't get it arse about face. If we have not got daylight savings then we will be behind NSW and NZ by an extra hour thus games wil be played at 2.30pm rather than 3.30pm.
I think you may have got too much sun on the dome during daylight savings....there you go another argument for you.![]()
Just happy to be here
DLS makes little difference to me at the moment either from a personal or business perspective.
However, in days gone by when there was no DLS and my work meant I had to deal with the eastern states on a daily basis a three hour difference was a big difference. So I can empathise with those businessmen who are based in WA and have to deal with the eastern states when they argue in favour of retaining DWS. The wealth of the state is determined by the businesses that are based here, particularly in the mining sector and the associated supporting services.
So whilst from a personal perspective I have nor particular reason to vote 'yes' I will be so doing for two reasons. Firstly in support of the businesses in WA who have determined that there is a positive benefit gained with DLS. Secondly, because I've had enough of the selfish whining old women who turn up so frequently on local radio to complain about the fact that they can't have a nice cup of tea in the garden in the morning because it's still dark.
For those that are uninformed and make spurious comments regarding DLS making it still be light at 9:30 PM, please refer to the table below. The times shown are without daylight saving. As such you note that the very latest sunset time during DLS is 8:27PM. If we vote DLS down, the latest we'll see daylight during summer is 7:27.
The table is sourced from Geoscience Australia
http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/astro/sunrisenset
I agree that March mornings suck a bit, but overall it works for me, my business and my family. (btw - kids should go to bed when their parents tell them - not when the sun goes down!)
Sunrise & Sunset Results
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perth Lat=-31°52'00" Long=+115°48'00"
TIMES OF SUNRISE AND SUNSET (for ideal horizon & meteorological conditions)
For the year 2009 Time zone: +8.00 hours
Make corrections for daylight saving time where necessary.
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JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN
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2 0515 1926 0543 1918 0607 1851 0629 1812 0649 1738 0709 1720
3 0516 1926 0544 1917 0608 1850 0629 1811 0650 1738 0710 1720
4 0517 1926 0545 1916 0609 1848 0630 1809 0650 1737 0710 1720
5 0518 1927 0546 1916 0609 1847 0631 1808 0651 1736 0711 1720
6 0519 1927 0547 1915 0610 1846 0631 1807 0652 1735 0711 1720
7 0519 1927 0548 1914 0611 1845 0632 1806 0653 1734 0712 1720
8 0520 1927 0549 1913 0612 1844 0633 1805 0653 1733 0712 1719
9 0521 1927 0549 1912 0612 1842 0633 1803 0654 1733 0713 1719
10 0522 1927 0550 1912 0613 1841 0634 1802 0655 1732 0713 1719
11 0523 1927 0551 1911 0614 1840 0635 1801 0655 1731 0713 1719
12 0524 1926 0552 1910 0614 1839 0635 1800 0656 1730 0714 1719
13 0524 1926 0553 1909 0615 1837 0636 1759 0657 1730 0714 1719
14 0525 1926 0554 1908 0616 1836 0637 1757 0657 1729 0715 1719
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20 0531 1925 0559 1902 0620 1829 0641 1751 0701 1725 0716 1720
21 0532 1924 0600 1901 0621 1827 0642 1749 0702 1725 0717 1720
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24 0535 1923 0602 1858 0623 1823 0644 1746 0704 1723 0717 1721
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30 0540 1920 0627 1816 0648 1740 0707 1721 0718 1723
31 0541 1919 0627 1814 0708 1721
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1 0718 1724 0705 1741 0634 1800 0555 1818 0519 1841 0504 1908
2 0718 1724 0705 1741 0632 1801 0553 1819 0519 1842 0504 1909
3 0718 1724 0704 1742 0631 1801 0552 1820 0518 1843 0504 1909
4 0718 1725 0703 1743 0630 1802 0551 1820 0517 1844 0504 1910
5 0717 1725 0702 1743 0629 1803 0549 1821 0516 1845 0504 1911
6 0717 1726 0701 1744 0627 1803 0548 1822 0515 1846 0504 1912
7 0717 1726 0701 1745 0626 1804 0547 1822 0514 1847 0504 1913
8 0717 1727 0700 1745 0625 1804 0546 1823 0514 1847 0504 1913
9 0717 1727 0659 1746 0623 1805 0544 1824 0513 1848 0504 1914
10 0717 1728 0658 1746 0622 1806 0543 1825 0512 1849 0504 1915
11 0716 1728 0657 1747 0621 1806 0542 1825 0512 1850 0504 1916
12 0716 1729 0656 1748 0620 1807 0541 1826 0511 1851 0505 1916
13 0716 1729 0655 1748 0618 1807 0540 1827 0510 1852 0505 1917
14 0715 1730 0654 1749 0617 1808 0538 1827 0510 1853 0505 1918
15 0715 1730 0653 1750 0616 1809 0537 1828 0509 1854 0505 1918
16 0715 1731 0652 1750 0614 1809 0536 1829 0509 1855 0506 1919
17 0714 1731 0651 1751 0613 1810 0535 1830 0508 1855 0506 1920
18 0714 1732 0650 1752 0612 1810 0534 1830 0508 1856 0506 1920
19 0713 1733 0649 1752 0610 1811 0533 1831 0507 1857 0507 1921
20 0713 1733 0648 1753 0609 1812 0532 1832 0507 1858 0507 1921
21 0712 1734 0646 1753 0608 1812 0530 1833 0506 1859 0508 1922
22 0712 1734 0645 1754 0606 1813 0529 1833 0506 1900 0508 1922
23 0711 1735 0644 1755 0605 1813 0528 1834 0506 1901 0509 1923
24 0711 1736 0643 1755 0604 1814 0527 1835 0505 1902 0509 1923
25 0710 1736 0642 1756 0602 1815 0526 1836 0505 1903 0510 1924
26 0710 1737 0641 1756 0601 1815 0525 1836 0505 1903 0511 1924
27 0709 1738 0640 1757 0600 1816 0524 1837 0504 1904 0511 1924
28 0708 1738 0638 1758 0558 1817 0523 1838 0504 1905 0512 1925
29 0708 1739 0637 1758 0557 1817 0522 1839 0504 1906 0512 1925
30 0707 1739 0636 1759 0556 1818 0521 1840 0504 1907 0513 1925
31 0706 1740 0635 1800 0520 1841 0514 1926