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Exile
Port Macquarie
"Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place and I don’t care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard ya hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! Now if you know what you’re worth then go out and get what you’re worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain’t you! You’re better than that!" - Rocky Balboa
It wasn't really an attempt to score, more an attempt to understand what constitutes success in afl-dominated Melbourne. Now, I understand that success in Melbourne is measured by the proportion of scraps off the afl table (at massive cost over what feels to me like 20 years (is it that long))
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Serious question GIGS, what membership and win % would you say is succeeding for a Rugby franchise in AFL dominated Perth??
Last edited by shasta; 09-10-20 at 12:08.
Yeah, good question, but I don't think that's apples for apples is it?
The force have cost a fraction of what the storm and the Rebels have cost, so that comes into consideration, as does total population. I would say 25k would be a highly successful franchise in Perth.
I wonder what it would cost comparitively
I also wonder what that would work out to per capita in comparison to Melbourne.
But I'm genuinely not trying to shit stir mate, just find it an interesting conversation
Are the storm REALLY a success or is there a bit of smoke and mirrors involved?
If they ARE a success, what metrics determine that and what is the methodology that the force could copy
I think with twiggy's backing, we could emulate pretty much anything that has been done with the storm, so the real question is
Should we?
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If you wanted to compare apples with apples wouldn't you look at how the AFL is doing in it's expansion markets as well?
I've no love at all for the Storm. But nobody can deny they are successful. How much they have spent is irrelevant. that's for the people who spent the money to weigh up. It's as relevant as asking if Toulon should be considered a success considering Murad Boujawotsit has spent millions to buy it.
Where they, the Rabble and the Storm fail - IMO - and where The Force and probably the NSW and Qld AFL franchises have had success is in player development. It's a problem that can come with private equity unless provisions made from the outset.
Interesting subject for myself too.
Most of the players developed in the AFL expansion sides aren't locals and are drafted from traditional AFL states and the same for the Storm in terms of the players in their squad.
Having a good club environment keeps players.
The AFL have spent tens of millions extra on GWS and the Gold Coast to try to get them to succeed. Not sure why cost was brought in to the discussion if the owner is prepared to fork out the cash.
If you take 20+ years of success - ignoring the dodgy accounting of the salary cap. One thing that you don't hear about is local player development.
Take a look at the Sydney Swans in a similar situation there are examples of Sydney born players coming thru their system on a increasingly regular basis. Including, if I recall correctly, the son of a mungo great.
Exile
Port Macquarie
"Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place and I don’t care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard ya hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! Now if you know what you’re worth then go out and get what you’re worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain’t you! You’re better than that!" - Rocky Balboa
I'll take your word for that. I wouldn't actually have a clue. I just made an assumtion based on the many times I've heard the likes of Brett Papworth, AJ, Paul Kent.... shitting brick's about how many schools in NSW now have two extra posts for rewarding a shanked shot at goal, how many development officers they have on the ground etc.
Both Garry Jack's sons played for the Swans. Bet Jack had a rueful laugh at Ian Roberts being on ABC news last night. As an anti violence campaigner.![]()
Last edited by shasta; 09-10-20 at 14:48.
Exile
Port Macquarie
"Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place and I don’t care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard ya hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! Now if you know what you’re worth then go out and get what you’re worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain’t you! You’re better than that!" - Rocky Balboa
Wagga, and most of the Riverina has been that way for ages. Like kids in Sydney often play both codes, in Wagga it's AFL and RL mostly.
"The main difference between playing League and Union is that now I get my hangovers on Monday instead of Sunday - Tom David