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Well done gerry, nice spiel as well...Cheers to an all round kind and generous fellow...I too have my birthday around the same time, 14th...lots of slabs of meat, and slabs of beer, have met their end around christmas time in the pursuit of celebrating my birthday, as i am sure my fellow TWF members have also partaken in...alas, I too was, and still am, a "one set of presents" victim, so i feel your pain gerry and coach