harro ma'afu .. you have bad disciprin
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I thought exactly the same thing, watched in slow mo and it looked like he caught the ball standing on the sideline, would have been worth a look from the TMO. Anyway doesn't matter now.Originally Posted by Haji
TMO cant look outside the try line, and anyway it was our favourite TMO George Ayoub so he would have awarded it regerdless %)
There have been several instances this year where they have looked "outside" the try line.
Not sure if it depends on the question asked by the Ref......Ecky please help.
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The current TMO protocol is as follows (referred to as "that official"):
If the referee is unsure when making a decision in in-goal involving a try being scored or a touch down, that official may be consulted.
The official may be consulted if the referee is unsure when making a decision in in-goal with regard to the scoring of a try or a touch down when foul play in in-goal may have been involved.
The official may be consulted in relation to the success or otherwise of kicks at goal.
The official may be consulted if the referee or assistant referees are unsure if a player was or was not in touch when attempting to ground the ball to score a try.
The official may be consulted if the referee or assistant referees are unsure when making a decision relating to touch-in-goal and the ball being made dead if a score may have occurred.
So, at the moment, they TMO can only be consulted for in-goal decisions. It's only where a player may have been in touch in attempting to ground the ball or score a try where the TMO can look outside the in-goal.
BUT.....
The iRB has announced a trial:
"A trial to extend the jurisdiction of the TMO to incidents within the field of play that have led to the scoring of a try and foul play in the field of play to take place at an appropriate elite competition in order that a protocol can be developed for the November 2012 Tests."
One would expect that to result in a number of things.
1. It will prove to be hugely successful
2. It will prove to add yet more stoppage time on to some games
3. It will allow the referee to be less vigilant than they otherwise might be, knowing that there's a TMO "just in case". (you know, like the cricket umpires and run out/stumped decisions)
If point 3 doesn't shit you now then just wait. Or maybe that's just me...
Anyway, this'll only be for that stuff on the telly and not the real suburban stuff we see every week in and around Perth.
I like the idea of the TMO being able to give advice to the ref in the same way as an assistant referee. That way they could identify things like:
- passes, throw-ins, etc, they think might be dodgy, especially in the run-up to a try, could be "hang-on, I'd like to look at that again". In open play, however, you can't stop play to review every pass.
- scrum collapses. It takes a minute to reset a scrum anyway, so why can't the TMO review the reason for the collapse.
- foul play where the ref and assistants missed the number, or there was too much happening.
Ecky
Do you have a set of sports ears ?? And if you do have you heard the ref consulting with the TMO on general play ??
Tonkar
Yes I do have Sports Ears.
I have told you previously that I have only been to one live game this year, so not much opportunity to listen to the match officials.
... but even if I'd been to all games, I doubt I'd hear the ref consulting the TMO on general play as the TMO cannot assist or rule on it.
Sheikh
I imagine the ref will still need to ask the TMO. I don't imagine the TMO will be able to speak up over the comms system without being requested first. Bear in mind the wording of the existing stuff is "the official may be consulted", so it won't be like the AR protocol, methinks.
The existing protocol, yes. I was saying I'd like the TMO's role expanded so that he's got the same ability to speak over the ref comms if he sees a foul. The ref's decision is final, but giving him an extra pair of eyes shouldn't hurt the game. The TMO would still only be able to review the replays if the ref directs him to.
It would be helpful, as in the majority of cases I see where an AR is asked "did you get a number", most don't seem to understand what a number is, and it can negate the whole yellow card situation, (the white card is a great benefit for next weeks opposition though). So if the AR replies "I don't know, but it was one of the fat guys," the TMO can shout over the PA "3 from White" etc, or he can ask anyone at the ground, or anyone watching on TV to phone in and help out.
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