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That would make me happyOriginally Posted by Moses
why cant we play int he npc, it solves all these problems and creates a product that ca be sold?
it seems stupid to try to build a comp from scratch when were including teams in melbourne or to a lessor extent perth, and im not perth bashing, its just that if its anywhere like the ARC there is no way any team is going to brake even, let alone turn a profit!
you need a strong local club comp to build interest in a rep side, displacing players from elsewere only works for a while in building local support, especially if you dont win!
NPC?????
at least you do you avatar justice
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there isnt enough fans for a second game, im sorry but this is crud! i think you underestimate the factor of the force having an atrocious first season in the drop of memberships, there would have been alot of people excited about having a team who were borderline fans who are only going to turn up to watch a winning side! it happens in every state in the country!
but the notion of a third level of rugby pulling crowds is somewhat laughable, especially in the eastern states where they compete tooth and nail with three other sports for a buck.
the only way it would work would be by playing curtain raisers and then the majority of the revenue would have to come from sponsorship which isnt going to help to make it sustainable!
care to back it up with an opinion, or just clutching at straws?
the npc clubs in new zealand have big followings and a competitiong with good sposorship and television deals, it also has a major sponsor that is an airline and is trying to include more games against australian super rugby sides as part of a revamped competition, why shouldnt it be explored!
the national netball comp has just started a trans tasman trophy that has had a fantastic first season playing games on irregular nights and spaced out, why cant a trans tasman rugby camp work?
wj, I'm not expecting such a game to pull huge crowds at all, don't get me wrong, it'll pull very much the same crowds as the ARC did but it would cut down the costs significantly that would be in a national comp while still giving an outlet for the players to develop.
And as for joining the NPC wj, there is a reason they have cut two of their teams for next season and want an expanded Super 14, the NPC is pretty weak atm.
Forgive me for my ignorance, but i only came back online today, so totally rusty on forum chat, but are you saying that we should field a side, or even two in an expanded APC comp, and if so, is this the reasoning behind NZru's interest in culling the present comp by two teams, ie; to accomodate new aussie teams?????
That said, and confirmed or denied, what bearing will it have on the Australian rugby scene in that it is not going to benefit too many top class grade players anyway...
It is not the best solution i guess, but i take your point onboard that it would definately offer a new level of skills to topclass club players not quite up to the standards super14 requires, but will the kiwis accept it...
If i am totally off the mark on all counts, sue me...
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cut down NPC + excess super 14 teams from australia = better comp with more options and interest than ARC!
if perth could field there own side with players from there own club comp and so forth there would be a greater need and desire for an ARC, that day maybe isn't right now, maybe its four or five years of hard work away!
i would love to see a comp, but its just not viable as a professional or semi-professional entity! does playing in a rep team for six or seven weeks really develop a player, the fleet only got together a few weeks before there first game and pretty much never said hello after there last, you could argue that the club comps of nsw does more to develop and mature these players than the arc did, the arc was more just an opportunity to be scouted!
I agree with your last statement re scouting, and the fact is that club rugby is where the talent is original assessed and nurtured, as is the case across Aus. I believe a team or two in the APC is a viable solution to give our best club talent a chance to perform at a higher level and perform for the scouts, and it will also provide a broader market for the APC as i am sure a bucketload of Aussies would jump on the supporters bandwagon in a New Zeaeland based competition, it is a friggin awesome idea...However, if this occurs it would , most likely, be a deathknell for an ARC type format as the market would begin to be flooded...
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in what form or way can the ARC be financially viable while paying players and the excess of travel, it virtually has to be its own comp held over a longer period with a television contract to attract the type of sponsorship needed to survive long term!
the only way this will happen is with fox involved and they are more likely to do that if the product appears on more tv's and new zealand = alot more tv's, (not in population but in interest!)maybe we could get the rugby channel they have in nz on a prescription basis to help keep revenue up?
waratahs or force v canterbury would create more interest than spirit v fleet would ever do by name recognition alone!
Did the 2006 APC lose money? It wasn't much, but it was something - make it a home and away season, 4 teams only.
4 nz & 4 aus, 14 games, sounds good to me!
waratahjesus, your assumption that the perth spirit had an operating budget of $7mil is, as i stated was not the case, an inept use of your common sense. ive quoted the figures posted in this thread above. i'll break it down into to laymans for you.
TOCC posted that rugbywa got a grant of $5mil to help operate the professional team (western force). qld got $4.5 for the reds and nsw got $5mil for the tahs.
the $5mil grant to operate and pay players at the force has nothing to do with operating the spirit.
i stated the fact the club rugby development grant from the aru to rugbywa was $0. i also stated that despite this rugbywa was able to inject $2mil of its own money into wa club rugby, not the spirit.
somehow youve twisted these figures to support some wild tangent you made yourself believe.
as no-ones stated what each union received for funding the ARC its wrong to speculate.
Last edited by NTT; 12-08-08 at 19:44. Reason: swee82 talking sense