Wallabies vs Springboks Saturday 18 Sep 2021 TRC

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Originally Posted by boof1050

Faf also arrived late to the ruck and stuck his hands in to slow the ball, Carley told him 2 or 3 times to get out of it and then he reached slapped the ball out of White's hand. Pure Dumb fuck if you ask me.

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I was going to mention this as well, 12:15 on the game clock you can clearly see Faf's hand on the ball slowing it down before it even comes out (just watched it - streaming is fantastic).

It was 100% cynical and Nigel Owens seems to skip right over that.

OK, I had a look at it, I'd say Faf was bound when he was blatantly using hands in the ruck, the ref told him to get out of it and he retreated. Faf does shift out of it, I don't think he changes his bind so he's still bound to the ruck? He certainly retreats from the contest and is only lightly bound, but it is full arm and shoulder so I reckon there's an interpretation to be made there.

I'm gonna call him bound, as it relates to the question I'm about to ask and also to Mr Owens' assertion that it wasn't a penalty.

If a player is bound to the ruck, driving through and counter rucking makes a play at the halfback, is that not considered a penalty? I've seen plenty of those types of penalties blown and can't identify the difference between that and what Faf was doing. Is it because the ball had cleared the ruck and therefore White was fair game? I'm really confused about that interpretation and if it had come from anybody other than Nigel Owens I would have thought they got it wrong, but I do respect his opinion.

Whilst Faf is initially bound when he goes fishing for the ball to slow it down further, you can see him clearly remove his bind to the Wallabies players when he removes his hand from the ball.

Does this mean he's now in an offside position as he is no longer bound to the ruck?

FWIW, I think Nigel Owens is really stretching things with his interpretation here. But I do wonder, given the usual Cone of Silence on such matters, what the other referees make of his public critiques of their performances.

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Originally Posted by jargan83

Whilst Faf is initially bound when he goes fishing for the ball to slow it down further, you can see him clearly remove his bind to the Wallabies players when he removes his hand from the ball.

Does this mean he's now in an offside position as he is no longer bound to the ruck?

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I think once he removes his bind, he has to establish and onside position before reentering play.

His left arm and shoulder remain in contact with the ruck, doesn't that constitute a bind?

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Originally Posted by GIGS20

I think once he removes his bind, he has to establish and onside position before reentering play.

His left arm and shoulder remain in contact with the ruck, doesn't that constitute a bind?

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I dont want you to think that I am taking the piss here. Im not.

You should look at doing a Referee's course. You have a great handle on the laws.

Referee some Junior Rugby

Thoroughly recommend it as well given that I'm currently doing the level 1 referees course.

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Originally Posted by jargan83

Thoroughly recommend it as well given that I'm currently doing the level 1 referees course.

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Intending to take up the whistle or just taking the opportunity to learn the laws?

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Originally Posted by .X.

I dont want you to think that I am taking the piss here. Im not.You should look at doing a Referee's course. You have a great handle on the laws. Referee some Junior Rugby

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I might consider it but I'm pretty time-poorMy other sport unfortunately would take priority

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Originally Posted by shasta

Intending to take up the whistle or just taking the opportunity to learn the laws?

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Probably both.

Did the Assistant Referee level 1 accreditation and ran touch a lot last year for Biege when he the Under 18's manager at Pally. Less involved this year with other commitments (baby etc).

Figured I'd take it up a notch with the Referees course.