I guess one of those scenarios, was AF taking the Force in to the NZ comp, as well as his future money that he is very likely to put into grass roots rugby in Australia.
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Wow, ok all I was suggesting is that his actions don't come from a simple, easily interpretable set of circumstances and you jump down my throat.Just like you say "the members of twf" or "you lot" can't prove nefarious intent I say you can't prove he's an angel of light.The negotiations aren't even complete and you Gail him as saviour of Aussie rugby.Forgive me my cynicism, I'll wait until I see some hard evidence before I commit to reversing my opinion that he is a grubby, self serving narcissist who is doing his best to look like the best candidate for his next job.You are free to believe he walks on water, but you won't convince me without some evidence
I dont disagree that what Clyne and Co did back in 2017 was wrong on many levels and their actions brought the game that I love down.
BUT.
Since then, Thanks to Andrew and Nicola Forrest and the Mindaroo foundation. The Western Force is stronger than ever. They are back in SuperRugby and are at the table. Not only that, they appear to have a very strong voice at the table.
The 2021 season will see the Western Force at the sharp end of the Premiership table and featuring in the finals series.
The 2022 season will see the Western Force take on all comers in both SuperRugbyAU and the Trans Tasman Comp and (hopefully) Global Rapid Rugby will finally kickoff with the Perth Spirit side made up of WA produced Rugby Stars that will see them gaining valuable experience making them easy picks for representative honors in the future.
With all this in mind. I have a straightforward question.
What the hell are we arguing about?
Yes, in 2017 the Western Force lost. Since then we have made every post a winner. We are in a stronger position than the Rebels could ever dream to be in.
I did not wish to jump down your throat. My apologies.
I have a challenge for you. In fact everyone else is free to try it as well.
Try and look at all the decisions made by the Current CEO of RugbyAustralia, and change his name to Peter Taylor, or Fred Flinstone. And ask yourself is he doing a good job? Be honest. Take a good hard look at it.
I truly and humbly believe that if you took "his name" out of the equation you would all start to realize that the CEO of RugbyAustralia is doing a very good job.
I am not trying to put him on a pedestal. Nor do I believe that he should be cast in bronze and have him stand in the courtyard of RugbyAustralia HQ. But I do believe he is making the right moves to bring our game out of near insolvency.
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With all this in mind. I have a straightforward question.
What the hell are we arguing about?
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If you really want an answer to that I suggest you look back and consider the point where you joined this thread, what the thrust of it was previous and who first mentioned Clarke. On the subject searching quotes from the past; do it. You may realize your MO of continually trying to convince people they are wrong to distrust Clarke/RA, including suggestions they need psychological help is bordering on trolling.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...aa8811766e2590"The Western Force have acknowledged the possibility that they could be based in New Zealand next year as part of Super Rugby Aotearoa, even as reports filter across the Tasman that there will be some cross-over fixtures against Kiwi sides at the end of the domestic competitions.Quote:
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Matt Hodgson, the former Force skipper who has become head of Andrew Forrest’s Global Rapid Rugby, told The Australian on Monday that the Perth club was anxiously awaiting some formal decisions about what the 2021 season and beyond would look like before deciding which path to take."
"Rugby Australia appears to have only the vaguest idea that the Force is even considering relocating to NZ but clearly, if that was to happen, it would have immense ramifications for Australian rugby. For starters, it would mean there would be only four professional franchises remaining here – the NSW Waratahs, Queensland Reds, the Brumbies and the Melbourne Rebels – which would leave the Super Rugby AU competition next year light one team, possibly two."
On the money X,for the hundreth time posters on this site refuse to look to the future and carry on about what the evil men from the East continually do to shaft the poor unfortunates from the West,it's becoming very tedious,maybe let's talk about who does all the real damage to the game and have a long hard look in the mirror,some of you guys must be a real blast at parties
I think your off the mark Westie. Excited for the future, for sure. It's why I paid up straight away. Doesn't mean I've forgotten the past or trust any of the players still hanging around. That isn't even what the thread was about to begin with. The new board is another story and looks positive.
I would only partially agree and certainly dispute the word very.Although the force are the only club making public statements to that effect, not one Australian club has seen a participation agreement for 2021, nor have they any idea how much money they will get.that impacts the viability of the comp because contracts aren't finalised, squad limits aren't set and the force have gone on a shopping spree for international talent (whether you agree with the tactic or not) that is painting Ra into a corner.i reiterate that there is no evidence that any of the positive outcomes that Clarke has announced have been his doing, they might just have easily been completed through some random billionaire calling in favours (did my best to remove twiggys name from that, because I don't want to appear too blue eyed) it could have been anybody doing anything.There has been no announcements about support for 7s, women's fame, community, how the Shute shield and hospital cup comps will need to be modified in light of the tv deal, and a whole raft of other stuff.Rugby Australia have definitely taken steps in the right direction, evidenced by the fact that I've watched a couple of wallabies games this year, but it's hardly "very good" and it's arguable how much of it is Rob Clarke's doing
Just re-read that story and there is actually nothing new in it.
All that has been said before about Force to get TV money , RA top ups and so on. It's just written in a way to make it sound like we are getting some kind of preferential treatment.
Typical E States whingeing and whining. Why shouldn't the Force get whatever the rest are getting. They are in the comp just like everybody else it's just we are lucky to have a generous backer.
Would the E States gutter press be whingeing and whining it it was the Tahs who had such a backer?
I doubt it
.... and that gents, was what the thread was about. Until the usual suspect, as usual, turned it into the usual sermon. Again.
While there has been lots of talk about what should happen, I'm not sure I've seen anything previous actually confirming how the tv revenues will be split. So to me the article simply seems to be little more than factual...this is how the money is going to be split up, and it may not be as some of the other team managements might have assumed. Any whinging or whining may yet be to come, or not, but I assume that was what the thread title was alluding to.