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    Kobelke rejects Subi upgrade - The West Australian

    Kobelke rejects Subi upgrade - The West Australian
    Kobelke rejects Subi upgrade
    25th May 2007, 6:30 WST


    Sport and Recreation Minister John Kobelke has ruled out providing more public funding to patch up Subiaco Oval, leaving the WA Football Commission to foot a huge bill to upgrade the venue if it scuttles plans for an $850 million multipurpose stadium.

    And in comments which further restrict the stadium options available to football’s governing body, Mr Kobelke said he accepted the findings of the Langoulant task force that the football commission’s $447 million proposal to rebuild Subiaco Oval did not stack up against the preferred options of building a stadium at Kitchener Park or East Perth.

    But last night there were suggestions the Government could be split on the issue, with Health Minister Jim McGinty questioning whether the money would be better spent building a new children’s hospital.

    “Do we want to spend $800 million on providing 16,000 extra seats at the football or is a new children’s hospital more important,” Mr McGinty said.

    Mr Kobelke said the Government had set up the stadium task force two years ago to stop individual sports coming to government for more funding and he was not about to back away from that objective.

    “The blueprint the task force has presented is a golden opportunity, not only for the people of WA to have a world-class stadium, but for the major sports to take advantage of that,” Mr Kobelke said.

    “If they let this opportunity go by, then I don’t think they’re going to be looked on kindly by this Government, any future government or the people of WA if they come knocking on doors with their hands out saying, ‘we need tens of millions of dollars to prop up our stadium, our sport, because we haven’t been able to manage it’.

    “I think people need to understand that the whole process of establishing the task force . . . was based on the problem we’ve had here for years in WA that major stadia have been built with substantial support from the State Government with undertakings that those sports will not come back for more money five or 10 years later.

    “We’re not about to do a backflip and say let’s go back to the old way.”

    Mr Kobelke’s comments mean the football commission has no fall-back if football officials torpedo the new stadium plan by refusing to move from Subiaco Oval.

    The football commission sought $40 million from the Government in 2005 to upgrade Subiaco Oval before presenting the task force with a $235 million redevelopment. That proposal was replaced by a $447 million plan to rebuild most of the stadium.

    Asked yesterday if the football commission could fund the improvements required at Subiaco Oval without Government help, chief executive Wayne Bradshaw said: “We have difficulty, any sport has difficulty, doing major capital projects.”

    He said the football commission’s immediate focus would be to assess the task force’s financial modelling, including the claim that moving to a new stadium would generate an extra $3 million in revenue for football.

    MARK DRUMMOND
    CHIEF REPORTER

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewsBot 2.0
    “Do we want to spend $800 million on providing 16,000 extra seats at the football or is a new children’s hospital more important,” Mr McGinty said.
    Err - surely that would be two separate departments and therefore two separate budgets?! It might be emotive (and a bit of a cliche!) but it's not very relevant.

    I just saw this thread which does in fact point this out (and yes, Flamethrower's right, both these articles are a month old):
    http://thewholeforce.com/showthread.php?t=8559
    "Health Minister Jim McGinty questioned whether it is preferable for the money for the stadium to be spent on a new children's hospital. Everyone would like to see a new children's hospital, but it is a separate issue."

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    When did relevance ever get in the way of journalism?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediKnight
    When did relevance ever get in the way of journalism?!
    or politics for that matter.


    How much do you think it would cost to convert either Subi or the WACA into a rectangular stadium, and would it be worth it?

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    The other glaring fact that all the politicians are forgetting is that we are generating massive budget surpluses year after year, of which the labour gov't estimates committee are undervaluing so it looks like we are not making as much as we truly are, and with the values that are being understated we would have enough money to revamp members equity several times over...This govt has been doing this for the past three years i can remember and probably longer, and i reckon if the libs were in it would still be happening...They are a bunch of deceitful kniving arseholes, the lot of them, and playing on emotions with the "childrens Hospital" is just another example....

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    so who voted labor ???

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    I did, but i have vowed never to vote liberal in my lifetime, so i am bound to my choice, and you have to agree they are both as bad as each other....It isn't about what is good for the people, it is about what is best for the party....We need more choices in parliament to make democracy work properly...

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    Here here FR I'ill vote for you

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    The thing is FR ois that you dont have to vote for the other side in an argument....you just have to convince the incumbent that he will get kicked out of office if he doesnt support a rectangular stadium. I have some interesting figures on this and will post them in the coming days..

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    we need Jeff Kennett!!! He knew how to build things!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueandblack
    How much do you think it would cost to convert either Subi or the WACA into a rectangular stadium, and would it be worth it?
    No B&B, it would not be worth it. Thats the point Kobelke was trying to get across, the AFC submission was still $400M to revamp subi for footy. To configure for a rectangle would entail demolishing 1 end and 1 side (half stadium) and rebuiliding. That would be in excess of $500M.

    Cheaper to build on a greenfield site at $800M and get something to last >20 years.

    WA has fallen behind as we only have 1 stadium that holds >20,000.
    We need a new large stadium AND a full seating rectangluar one right now - not in 10 years.
    If it doesn't get the go ahead now it will not happen for another decade.

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