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    Has anyone put this up on the Roar yet? They will probably delete my post if I put it up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakkies View Post
    Has anyone put this up on the Roar yet? They will probably delete my post if I put it up there.
    Bakkies,
    My post about GRR got edited on ROAR. Can you get the the GRR story onto GAGR?

    Because that review story came from the SMH, I think ROAR will have trouble keeping a lid on it. No doubt it will fly on ROAR and GAGR with out any help from us.

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    The Roar has lost it they are deleting posts that are related to the RA’s Annual Reports that they should have reported on.

    I have already put it up on G&G.

    Georgina has just put up a follow up article.

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...05-p50e6n.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakkies View Post
    The Roar has lost it they are deleting posts that are related to the RA’s Annual Reports that they should have reported on.

    I have already put it up on G&G.

    Georgina has just put up a follow up article.

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...05-p50e6n.html
    That was an oddly written article, a lot of focus of how good it is (oh back in 2015).

    Seem to skip the whole Mckenzie/Beale and concentrated on how good Chieka has made it. then finished at the bottom with below.

    "This is no crisis of identity or culture as has befallen cricket in Australia. It is less about bullying and more about ongoing structural paralysis.

    But, like cricket's problems, rugby's have been a similarly long time in the making. Now, with good news and Test wins in short supply, they are painfully clear to see."


    See there is an identity issue, A lot of Australians (yes the entire country) dont feel like RA support them nor the Wallabies are their team.

    Culture problems, could be argued many ways, but primadonna's guaranteed positions takes away competition and hunger by the players (hence the constant exodus of young up and comers)

    Bullying, well I dunno how they define removing the only Western Australian on the board during discussions of removing a team that was apparently between all teams(well at least 2... sort of) isnt that discrimination. if it looks like shit and smells like shit, its probably because it is shit

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    Along with withholding key information from their constituents under ‘commercial in confidence.’

    Still no mention of Anthony French. He submitted that nonsensical report that the board voted on in August 2016. He is just as culpable as the others are. Where is the arsehole these days?

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    Gutless, and it's no wonder rugby is struggling. It sounds like the review was never completed anyway and alot of the interviews were cancelled and if so it says alot about the administration of the game when they cant even finish their own "secret" review. Madness.

    So I wonder what a follow up review would be like after the Western Force culling debacle. Does the administration still align with the games "values" I definitely say no. If they did they certainly wouldnt have eradicated the Force in the unethical manner they did which then forced a senate inquiry which was met with alot dodging and not enough truth and honesty and the usual suspects ducked and weaved around the questions leaving alot open.

    The game is in a complete mess and until Clyne and Robinson go the game is history.

    Who is gonna bother getting up for Australia vs Wales. Anyone, SBS now have the rights again cause no one actually cares.

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    And what intrepid snoop would be clever enough to ferret that report out of wherever its been buried! Nick Taylor got any connections to achieve another scoop I wonder?

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    Who has been giving enough heat or held this as ammo? The SMH said it was their excludlsive.

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    Love the transparency and devotion to doing everything in the interests of the game


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    Hmmm...

    "At the same time the ARU board, chaired by Michael Hawker, commissioned the Ethics Centre's Simon Longstaff "

    along with

    "Longstaff, a long-time contact of Hawker's"


    - If he was a 'long-time contact', why was he, not someone else, given the review to do? Not sure of the ethics there, although admittedly there is no reference to "independent".

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    I bet he was paid handsomely for doing it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueandblack View Post
    Hmmm...

    "At the same time the ARU board, chaired by Michael Hawker, commissioned the Ethics Centre's Simon Longstaff "

    along with

    "Longstaff, a long-time contact of Hawker's"


    - If he was a 'long-time contact', why was he, not someone else, given the review to do? Not sure of the ethics there, although admittedly there is no reference to "independent".
    Was Hawker still Chairman when fellow Friends of Sydney Uni Football Club Patrick Allaway conducted the Saltbush review?

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    Rugby's Longstaff review won't see the light of day
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    By Phil Lutton
    6 November 2018 — 5:51pm
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    A cultural review into the workings of the Australian Rugby Rugby Union commissioned in 2015 will remain under lock and key, with the governing body having no intention of releasing its detail to the public like their beleaguered cricket counterparts.

    The review was conducted by Simon Longstaff of the Ethics Centre, who was also behind the recent look behind the scenes of Cricket Australia, which exposed a "win without counting the cost" culture and has already led to the resignations of chairman David Peever and board member Mark Taylor.

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    It is believed rugby's review didn't turn up anything near as damning as the cricket report but did show a disconnect in certain values and objectives within the code. That information, in turn, was used as part of the five-year strategic plan unveiled in April 2016.

    The review was hardly a secret, with a media release in 2015 quoting then chairman Michael Hawker as saying it would feature interviews with more than 400 stakeholders. But it had managed to keep an extremely low profile until Fairfax Media highlighted its existence on Tuesday.

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    With CA being pressured to make its findings public, the now Rugby Australia may have followed suit after the report resurfaced. But a RA spokesman said the findings were never intended to be for consumption beyond their walls and were the basis of the 2015 plan.

    “The review was intended to inform the strategic planning process that was undertaken in 2015,” a spokesman said.

    There is also the feeling that making the findings public would serve little purpose given the seismic change in the structure and staff of RA over recent years. The code, in turn, now has an entirely new set of dilemmas on its hands.

    Longstaff was engaged to begin the process in the wake of Ewen McKenzie's sudden resignation, a dramatic moment that signalled the end of one of the most-damaging periods in Australia rugby, which also saw Kurtley Beale in hot water ($45,000 fine) and the departure of former team manager Di Patston, who settled out of court with the ARU.

    McKenzie was replaced by Michael Cheika, while a suite of officials have since departed the building including chief executive Bill Pulver, chief operating officer Rob Clarke, general manager of commercial, John Nicholl, chief financial officer Todd Day, general counsel Richard Hawkins, community general manager Andrew Larratt and general manager media and corporate communications Rachel Hickey.

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    And while the strategic plan to revitalise the game heading towards 2020 was held up in lights, the exact findings of the Longstaff review were never revisited publicly and won't be in the future.

    With the national side struggling and the game struggling for relevance in the sporting market, new CEO Raelene Castle may have an entirely new review on her hands before she has time to pour through the results of the last one.
    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-u...06-p50ecv.html

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    If it was ...lets say tame, I wonder what a review from a truly independent angle might think nowadays.

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    That Custard Taht commenting on G&G news doesn’t get how much damage the RA has done and sticking your head in the sand saying nothing achieves nothing.

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