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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewg View Post
    Will they confirm Wallaby eligibility for Western Force players? What about other Aussies playing for other teams.
    I thought this was confirmed back in March, or was that only for the WSR exhibition season (and, not that we've had any players selected!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheikh View Post
    I thought this was confirmed back in March, or was that only for the WSR exhibition season (and, not that we've had any players selected!)
    I'm pretty sure it was just for this season.

    The big argument is whether other teams players in WSR are eligable for the Wallabies.. the Force will be ok, but Twiggy wanted to bring back players for the other sides which would be Wallaby eligable.. I doubt the RA will allow this despite all the obvious benefits it will bring to Cheika's Wallabies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheikh View Post
    I thought this was confirmed back in March, or was that only for the WSR exhibition season (and, not that we've had any players selected!)
    The exhibition matches I believe.

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    Does anyone else not think it's pretty bizarre that Castle's good mates with Steve Tew? Apparently she gets a lot of 'mentoring' & advice from him - so the CEO of Aus Rugby needs help from NZ is all well and good but slight conflict of interest? If she doesn't know how to do the job why is she there?

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    The Interim report from the Banking Royal Commission is now out. Doesn't look good for ASIC and our dear leader.

    ‘Bad apples’ at NAB and CBA?

    Commonwealth Bank and National Australia Bank executives were largely in the dark over their misdeeds, the royal commission has found, leaving bank chief under the impression that any misconduct was perpetrated by rogue employees or bad apples acting independently.

    Commissioner Kenneth Hayne noted the inability of the major banks to understand the dramatic level of their own misconduct, describing the actions that the banks took after he asked for initial submissions of wrongdoing over the last decade.

    While the royal commission probed 61 institutions from the banking, insurance and superannuation industries, the major financial institutions - ANZ, CBA National Australia Bank and Westpac and AMP - failed to properly respond to Mr Hayne’s request.

    After receiving, in cases, only examples of conduct the banks had identified in its submission, Mr Hayne launched a second request for information, asking for detailed and comprehensive list of all conduct in the last five years that amounted to misconduct.

    “CBA and NAB protested that the task was too large and could not be completed within the time allowed,” Mr Hayne said. Both banks then proceeded to submit large print out of “unhelpful” documents detailing information of every incident workers committed that may be a breach of the law.

    CBA then submitted further tables of misconduct, with the admissions separated between its mortgage broking subsidiary Aussie Home Loans and the rest of the CBA business. NAB was forced to separately examine all its significant litigation reports through Australian court judgments, its breach registers, its reports to ASIC, APRA and the anti-money laundering regulator, the Financial Ombudsman Service, its annual statements of compliance and details handed over to the Australian Information Commissioner.

    “The point to be made about the course of events is that at least CBA and NAB found it difficult to comply with the requests that I made,” Mr Hayne said. “Taken together, the course of events and the explanations proffered can lead only to the conclusion that neither CBA nor NAB could readily identify how, or to what extent, the entity as a whole was failing to comply with the law.”

    “And if that is right, neither the senior management nor the board of the entity could be given any single coherent picture of the nature or extent of failures of compliance; they could be given only a disjointed series of bits of information framed by reference to particular events,” he said.

    “Information presented in that way points too easily towards explaining what has happened as ‘a small number of people choosing to behave unethically’ or as the product of ‘people, policies and processes that existed with a pocket of poor culture in that area at that time’. The extent to which these issues extend beyond CBA and NAB remains to be explored.
    ASIC are getting a kicking for not taking enough action against the banks particularly between 2009 and 2014 where there were breach notices issued against the NAB.

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    ASIC lost ALL credibility for me when then could not find any evidence of wrongdoing in the mountains of information they were given about RA and the MRRU as a consequence of the Senate Inquiry. Not even a toothless tiger; more a toothless, half-dead mouse.

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    Well it looks like a win for World Series Rugby with it being approved by the executive committee. The state of international rugby looks in a dire mess right now according to the below article on the meetings in Sydney this week.

    World Rugby’s Sydney meetings will struggle to resolve anything
    Beaumont and Pichot, chairman and vice-chairman respectively, are leading the push for reform with the latter declaring that international rugby is heading for the scrapheap


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    Declining powers Australia and South Africa are losing their allure

    More than 75% of the income generated globally by rugby union comes from the international game. It is the reason why those who run the sport, World Rugby, are this week gathered in Sydney pondering how to reinvigorate all the Test rugby that takes place between World Cups.

    Friendly matches, which make up 56% of Test fixtures, are losing their allure. Teams arrive on tour at the end of long, arduous seasons, often below strength and not at their most motivated. New Zealand remain a draw but Australia and South Africa, who have lost dozens of players to clubs in Europe and Japan, have mutated from vaunted to vulnerable.

    The series of World Rugby committee meetings this week will resolve nothing. Much has been made this week of a plan to establish a 12-strong League of Nations competition in November, played over five weeks. But it is one of a number of ideas that are being considered before the governing body’s meeting in November. What is eventually decided will look a lot different: a commitment made last year was for more fixtures between tier one and two countries.


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    World Rugby’s Bill Beaumont and Agustin Pichot, chairman and vice-chairman respectively, are leading the push for reform, with the latter the more voluble after declaring that international rugby was heading for the scrapheap unless there was a fundamental overhaul.

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    At its urging, World Rugby is setting up a professional game committee, made up of tier one and two nations, and is establishing a professional game forum that will meet every year. It will be made up of delegates from unions, clubs and players’ associations and it fulfils a promise made last year in San Francisco to take a collaborative approach to the issues.

    There will be major changes made to the international calendar and making the November and July windows competitive will add to the load on players.

    While there would still be three weekends in each month governed by World Rugby’s regulation on player release, coaches would want two weeks of preparation time. That would make 10 weeks in all which, added to the nine weeks players spend with their countries during the Six Nations, would mean the Test game took up half a season in the non-World Cup years between 2020 and 2032.

    Leagues in Europe are attracting the interest of private equity companies who see untapped income in commercial rights. But maximising potential would mean clubs having their leading players for longer than they do now. There does not look to be any scope for a club competition between the best in the hemispheres.


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    The need for clubs to be involved in any change is highlighted by a reason the friendly format is failing – the drift of players from the south to the north. It may prove easier to decide what future Novembers and Julys will look like than to resolve a key question: how should the proceeds from more competitive fixtures be shared?

    At the moment the match hosts receive all the gate receipts, broadcasting income, commercial deals, apart from a fourth international where the visiting union receives a fee. One reason the All Blacks’ appearances in England and Wales this decade have become less frequent is because of the New Zealand union’s £3m demand.

    The southern hemisphere nations have long lobbied for income from tier one matches, including Lions tours, to be pooled and shared out. It would raise the turnover of all four and help them retain players. However the European unions, which attract bigger crowds, have consistently refused to entertain the idea.

    A friendly revamp with a competitive element would resurrect the issue, especially if there were an overall title sponsor. Europe has found that its greater financial muscle has weakened the international game to the point where to carry on and change nothing would be to redden balance sheets here.


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    A new tournament – and that word should be used in the loosest sense because whatever is devised will not be an all-inclusive version of the Six Nations or Rugby Championship – would offer value to backers because it had no past.

    The Six Nations continues to look for a new title sponsor two years after RBS gave notice. On the surface, it should be easy to sell: it is the sport’s most popular tournament outside the World Cup, playing to packed houses, it is on terrestrial TV and generates large audiences, it is steeped in tradition and its popularity is not defined by the quality of rugby produced.

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    Yet, little more than four months before the start of the 2019 championship, they have still been unable to command the price they want. The uncertainty over Brexit is a factor but, as RBS found, the Six Nations, like the FA Cup, does not lend itself to a sponsor’s name in the title and backers expect a return.

    The point of the Sydney summit, and Pichot’s outburst this month, was to underline the primacy of international rugby, but at a period of flux it is not that simple. If there is a way out, clubs and unions have to walk along the same path, not on parallel lines.

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    Usual Paul Rees drivel all over the shop. I am with the European unions on revenue the RA and NZRU cry poor that they are wealthy and should give up the money. Not true and they don't get the Lions Tour gates. The RFU is wealthy but they have a lot of overheads. Scotland and Wales have been in debt for twenty years due to stadium rebuilds. Ireland make a small profit or a loss. Italy and France don't have a stadium asset. France were paying €2 million a test to rent out Stade de France. That's almost €10 million a year on stadium rent and they have had AIs that haven't sold out for years. That is more than the RA spend on payouts and the Rebels.

    The League of Nations is nonsense it completely is against the agreement to have more tier one v tier tests and doesn't factor in Lions tours. A five week window in November won't fly with the clubs and I am with them on this. The 4 Nations goes for eight weeks than a few weeks later there is a three week window for the AIs. The not the Heineken Cup now again sponsored by Heineken has back to back fixtures which decide pools in December than you have a heavy Christmas/New Year fixture list. Joe Schmidt schedules a camp in this period which weakens the tradition Irish inter provincial matches which are popular.

    As for Aus and SA it is not up to other unions to solve their problems. These are internal issues. As from the sides picked for the upcoming test neither coach knows their best side and continue with experimenting with unbalanced combinations. That's their choice they don't have to do it. SA transformation targets are beyond their control too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    ASIC lost ALL credibility for me when then could not find any evidence of wrongdoing in the mountains of information they were given about RA and the MRRU as a consequence of the Senate Inquiry. Not even a toothless tiger; more a toothless, half-dead mouse.
    Agreed. Like the FSA in the U.K. they have to go. Years of carte blanche and deregulation has allowed the banks to run riot and destroy customers. Treating customers fairly regulations will have to come in to Australian financial systems law.

    ASIC shouldn't be in the Government's remit. They have to be independent as the Governments are basically run by the banks. They are not following through on misconduct breaches and APRA are worse.

    Since the FSA was replaced by the FCA they have been dishing out fines left, right and centre for misleading customers and neglecting complaints handling which is agreed to by the Financial Ombudsman Service. We could be looking at least $15 billion in compensation to consumers and that might not be enough if interest is whacked on. Hopefully with imbeciles like our dear leader spending time in prison and handing back their payouts which will teach them a lesson.

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    I often wondered why more teams don't play a multiple test series against each other; the rarity of opposition could be bring back the mystique. I think that a tour with a bunch of one-off games every year is killing the goose

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