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    I also think twiggy would be happy to develop the nrc into a decent feeder comp for wsr, but probably doesn't see how he could do that with the sticky fingered Sydney crowd in the boardroom

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    I wonder if they'll do something about brand recognition? Do they not care that people dunno who the teams or where they come from?

    Australia has always been the litmus test, Super Rugby does well here, it will drag NZ and SA up along with it.

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    Im sure Twiggy is just waiting to finish negotiating the RA endorsing the World Series Rugby tournament next year before he then decides to buy up all the best stars in super rugby and stacking the Force with a side that would kick the Wallabies ass any day of the week. Its all part of the master plan!

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    Really though if Australia wants to improve the fan interest in Australia then they should without question endorse New Zealands recomendation they drop the conference system. The comp is a farce, the fans know it, and the fans arent leaving, they've left! Its only Cameron Clyne left in the board room waving his dick around in front of his incompetent staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPaRTAN View Post
    Im sure Twiggy is just waiting to finish negotiating the RA endorsing the World Series Rugby tournament next year before he then decides to buy up all the best stars in super rugby and stacking the Force with a side that would kick the Wallabies ass any day of the week. Its all part of the master plan!
    I don't think it'd be wise to stack the force. That would turn wsr into the one sided shite feast that super rugby is. Sure the kiwis are pushing to abolish the conferences, that's because they would prefer all finals to be theirs. The dominance is one of the many reasons why nobody is interested in rugby anymore. Twiggy should buy the best players in all provinces and spread them evenly around the league with a coherent plan that will enable the local players to come up to the standard while the team as a whole is reasonably competitive in the whole system. Nobody wins with cricket scores.

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    Since they bombed out of the 2007 world cup, New Zealand have a done a tremendous job in rebuilding their rugby, shoring up all 5 Super teams to end speculation over the potential cutting of the Chiefs and get every one of them a premiership; they only want to drop the conference system now, because they'll have more teams in the finals. There is no altruism here. If New Zealand really held the overall well-being of the competition at heart, they would allow the competition to even itself up through all teams; by encouraging or demanding the other two original SANZAR members to increase revenue in some way so that they could address fundamental player-retention problems they are having; ie:

    -South Africa's economic/currency issues whereby players head overseas for contracts in Euros or Yen which dwarf Super and Currie Cup Rugby

    -Australia not being able to pay players more because we are the only rugby country in the original tri-national SANZAR grouping that actively has to use funds to continually fight off aggressive and deliberate (and somewhat underhanded) AFL encroachment in Qld and NSW; plus the encroachment of soccer and the ever-present threat of player-drain to league in an RL-culture. So we lose players overseas on contracts that aren't up to NRL-pay, just so they can stay playing the code they love.

    -threaten Japan with expulsion for not fielding a full-strength full of Japanese players; Argentina can do it.

    This could be done through a change in the share of the pay-TV pie, or allowing proper private interest to come in, not a restricted, hamstrung version like the Rebels; but something more akin to the clubs in Europe, but this time with the power and population of provinces behind them.

    When the addition of the Force and Cheetahs to create Super 14 evened up the travel schedule and the Bulls won three of the five titles in that format, New Zealand had no problem switching to the conference system then. Now that SA and Australia are crippled with useless teams that can only be fixed by big money contracts, and internal problems that can only be fixed by long-term solutions; New Zealand says "let's drop the conferences."

    The real way to revitalise the competition, is to give the branding some geographic meaning, even the competition up through all teams, make the travel the same difficulty for every team, and get brand recognition in the market with the biggest potential, Australia, which will pull the other two up with them.

    More meaningful games may also work, by lessening the amount of double-up fixtures and turning the international aspect of the comp into an end-of-season champions league type of finals series, but that's just brainstorming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibi View Post
    Since they bombed out of the 2007 world cup, New Zealand have a done a tremendous job in rebuilding their rugby, shoring up all 5 Super teams to end speculation over the potential cutting of the Chiefs and get every one of them a premiership; they only want to drop the conference system now, because they'll have more teams in the finals. There is no altruism here. If New Zealand really held the overall well-being of the competition at heart, they would allow the competition to even itself up through all teams; by encouraging or demanding the other two original SANZAR members to increase revenue in some way so that they could address fundamental player-retention problems they are having; ie:

    -South Africa's economic/currency issues whereby players head overseas for contracts in Euros or Yen which dwarf Super and Currie Cup Rugby

    -Australia not being able to pay players more because we are the only rugby country in the original tri-national SANZAR grouping that actively has to use funds to continually fight off aggressive and deliberate (and somewhat underhanded) AFL encroachment in Qld and NSW; plus the encroachment of soccer and the ever-present threat of player-drain to league in an RL-culture. So we lose players overseas on contracts that aren't up to NRL-pay, just so they can stay playing the code they love.

    -threaten Japan with expulsion for not fielding a full-strength full of Japanese players; Argentina can do it.

    This could be done through a change in the share of the pay-TV pie, or allowing proper private interest to come in, not a restricted, hamstrung version like the Rebels; but something more akin to the clubs in Europe, but this time with the power and population of provinces behind them.

    When the addition of the Force and Cheetahs to create Super 14 evened up the travel schedule and the Bulls won three of the five titles in that format, New Zealand had no problem switching to the conference system then. Now that SA and Australia are crippled with useless teams that can only be fixed by big money contracts, and internal problems that can only be fixed by long-term solutions; New Zealand says "let's drop the conferences."

    The real way to revitalise the competition, is to give the branding some geographic meaning, even the competition up through all teams, make the travel the same difficulty for every team, and get brand recognition in the market with the biggest potential, Australia, which will pull the other two up with them.

    More meaningful games may also work, by lessening the amount of double-up fixtures and turning the international aspect of the comp into an end-of-season champions league type of finals series, but that's just brainstorming...
    Henry pulling the ABs out of the first half of the 2007 season which really took the piss out of the comp saw a big decline in crowds in NZ. The Canes went from the second best attendances in the comp below the Stormers to appalling crowds that mirrored what the Highlanders used to get at Carisbrook on a cold and damp night. The realignment of the region with Taranaki moving to the Chiefs and the administrators taking the fans for grant didn't help either.

    NZ also lose a lot of Rugby juniors to the NRL they are getting them before they finish school in NZ to go over to Sydney. They can't get the ABs any more (like they did with Kirwan, Ellis, Innes, Ridge, etc) so they target juniors in Auckland and Waikato. The Blues have a lot of internal issues and this just exasperates it. To go with them losing players to other franchises they have to recruit from the outside bringing in players with no real attachment. The Chiefs also do a lot of recruiting.

    The duplicated derbies and bringing in the Rabble were a massive mistake that Aus Rugby is going to pay for another three years and more. The conferences which ensure guaranteed finals just rewards mediocrity so the quality of the Australian matches just deteriorated. Duplication returning in the current format hasn't brought back the crowds either.

    We will see about SA they will go behind Aus and NZ's back like they did with the 12 month negotiation to get in to the Pro 12. The poor state of their franchise's finances will be the tipping point. NZ really have their heads in the sand over this.

    Kerry Packer had a saying about Alan Bond, 'you only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime' you could say the same about Aus Rugby with de Clyne turning down Twiggy's $50 million and putting roadblocks on his competition which includes funding junior development.

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    Queensland Reds move to lock in Brad Thorn for 10-year reign
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    THE spluttering Queensland Reds are exploring a better alignment with Rugby Australia so Brad Thorn gets the back-up to be a 10-year coach at the club.

    Snapping a damning five-season cycle of failure will only be possible with long term-structures not the instability of four head coaches and myriad staff changes over that period.

    Queensland Rugby Union chairman Jeff Miller said the alarm bells had been heeded over short-term fixes and pale results since the Reds last made the finals in 2013.

    “We want Brad Thorn as a 10-year head coach but it’s up to us to create the right high-performance environment for him to want to,” Miller said.

    Queensland Reds coach Brad Thorn has the support of the club. Picture: AAP
    Queensland Reds coach Brad Thorn has the support of the club. Picture: AAPSource: AAP

    “We are very supportive of Brad and the cultural change he has brought to the squad with some tough decisions.

    “Having a team show strong levels of commitment and pride, as it has done, was a large part of his signing last year.

    “It’s disappointing the Reds offer so much yet have been up or down and the QRU wants to provide the right support to be consistently better.”

    Minds are opening to change already.


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    Miller invited Ireland’s high-performance chief David Nucifora to address the QRU board recently and Scotland’s director of rugby Scott Johnson is doing the same this week.

    Closer ties to Rugby Australia spells “centralisation” and selling out Queensland rugby’s autonomy in some minds yet Miller hosed down those inflammatory descriptions.

    “You look at New Zealand, Ireland and Scotland and there are very successful alignments between the national and provincial levels for the benefit of both,” Miller said.

    “One thing Nucifora said was ‘don’t be afraid of strong alignment’.


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    “If we keep doing things the same way, we are going to get the same results so we are trying to understand what models are successful for long-term sustainability and the pitfalls.”

    The QRU’s cash-strapped state has triggered a call to Rugby Australia to advance a six-figure sum ahead of the normal payment date of a grant.

    “We are still on track to make a small profit this year so that was a request to smooth cash flow when you don’t have a home game for four weeks,” Miller said.

    More coaching assistance from Rugby Australia is one area being investigating through Sam Cordingley, the QRU’s general manager of Professional Rugby.

    Brad Thorn and the Reds are desperate to finish the season on high. Picture: AAP
    Brad Thorn and the Reds are desperate to finish the season on high. Picture: AAPSource: AAP
    Miller said core skills and strength development programs better conveyed from the national set-up to Super Rugby and into the club system made perfect sense.

    It dovetails into this week’s coaches’ summit in Sydney to develop a more cohesive plan to identify rising coaches and better develop them.

    “Developing coaches better is definitely in the way forward,” Miller said.

    “Queensland has been a leader in this area but it is crazy to think of the Australian coaching intellect overseas in (Scotland defensive coach) Matt Taylor, Nucifora, Johnson and others.

    “If offloading off the ground and breaking flatline defences, for example, are key areas, you need guys teaching the skills from Rugby Australia down.”

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    I guess Brad Thorn had earned a ten year contract from a club that needs to put its hand out to the governing body to stay afloat.

    The results speak for themselves don't they?

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    Hahaha-“centralisation from RA” ......”advance a sixfigure sum ahead of normal payment.......to smooth over cash flow....
    What franchise appears to be in a spot of trouble then?.........next one on the chopping block, or are they thinking they’re safer than the Brumbies?

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    Will they have to sell their IP? Hand back the license? Sign an "Alliance" agreement?

    Nope

    Rugby is almost as fucked as cycling

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    Quote Originally Posted by sittingbison View Post
    Will they have to sell their IP? Hand back the license? Sign an "Alliance" agreement?

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    Na, because they are the establishment. Its always been a QLD/NSW vs the rest, its all about retaining power to the detriment of all the other unions. Power and greed and no accountability to ensure a fair democratic system is in place. To be honest the way the sport is goverened is inept and shocking.

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    Alan Jones back to take another swing at the RA

    Rugby: Raelene Castle’s 200-day report card
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    During my three-week absence, there have been some green shoots in Australian rugby, but sadly they owe nothing to the administration.

    Kurtley Beale turned on a stellar performance, when NSW looked comprehensively beaten against Otago in the Super Rugby quarterfinals last Saturday. And from a 23-6 deficit, Beale led a very inspired and inspiring Waratahs to a magnificent comeback victory. The Lions in South Africa, of course, will be a different kettle of fish.

    But the removal of the Western Force from the face of Super Rugby continues to haunt the administration.

    What has not been reported is that the West Australian Schoolgirls team has won the National Schoolgirls Rugby Championship, beating NSW 14-10.

    Financial support for the team was provided from the Future Force Foundation. Western Australia again leading the way, even if they are unwanted by Rugby Australia chairman Cameron Clyne and his out-of-touch board.

    It should be acknowledged as a matter of pride by Rugby Australia that members of the Future Force Foundation are making an enormous contribution to rugby in Western Australia and in particular to the State Schoolgirls and other elite pathway teams.

    Well may we ask what has been achieved by the banishment of Western Australia.

    Certainly there has been no improvement in the standard of Australian rugby and the results we were promised haven’t materialised; and the funding that was allegedly saved by the axing of the Force to be redirected to grassroots rugby hasn’t materialised either. Sadly, the green shoots wither in this rugby drought.

    And on leadership, lack of it, let me address that issue again.

    Where is the leadership of Australian rugby in relation to the player punch-ups involving Rebels players last weekend? Raelene Castle has been silent.

    She had plenty to say when Israel Folau tweeted. Surely players involved in potentially life-threatening physical violence off the field should be of more concern than any nonviolent social media beat-up.

    Castle has been occupying her leather chair at the fancy new Rugby Australia headquarters for around 200 days, so it’s surely appropriate to look at the report card.

    Castle continues to charge kids a registration fee to play rugby, while the AFL encourages kids to play for free. They give kids footballs and match tickets.

    So you’d have to say, on the grassroots front, Castle would struggle to get a C and the examiner would certainly say “must try harder”.

    She’s also made a lot of noise about the size-for-age initiative, claiming rugby to be the first code to do this in Australia.

    She may not be spruiking about this initiative for much longer, because research from Wellington, New Zealand, published in the International Journal of Sport and Health Research suggests similar programs are driving players away from the game across the Tasman.

    Their research shows that players who are moved away from playing with their mates and forced to play with a different age group because of their weight, are 50 per cent more likely to give up playing, compared with kids who play in the same team as their peers.

    In other words, the bigger or smaller kids want to play with their mates. So Castle’s new size-for-age initiative may well fail, as it has in New Zealand.

    On the report card, it would have to be no better than a C.

    We’ve just been through the Schoolboy rugby trials. The 2018 Australian Schoolboys side has been named.

    How can we ask these young players to play four times in a week? It becomes a last-man-standing approach that’s outdated and dumb.

    And Bob Wallace and his Australian Schoolboys Council need a rocket from Rugby Australia for putting these players through such a torturous campaign.

    In 2016, the Irish Rugby Union and Ulster University published a medical study in the British Medical Journal that’s widely regarded as a key study in relation to schoolboy rugby and playing loads. That study shows that around 5 per cent of players are injured in every First XV rugby match. The numbers are closer to 10 per cent when these matches are representative games.

    Schoolboys are conditioned to play one game a week, so imagine the injury risk when players are asked to play four times in one week.

    In the light of these statistics, the Australian Schoolboys Council is reckless in the extreme for sticking with the current format.

    And it further highlights how out of touch Wallace and his Old Boys’ club have become.

    Rugby Australia should pull the plug on the Australian Schoolboys’ system and run their own Australian Under 18 program.

    This has already happened in England where, like Australia, their National Schools Program had become a liability, not an asset. We’re at that point now. It’s time to sever ties with the Wallace club. This is a D on the report card.

    In talent development, it would appear there has been some effort made by Michael Cheika and others to try to retain some of our best young players. But I’m hearing that NRL clubs and New Zealand rugby franchises have again been active in their efforts to recruit.

    However, this year, for the first time in a long time, our game is mobilising to compete for talent.

    That’s a massive change from the previous attitude of let them go, we can’t afford to keep them. The fact is we can’t afford not to keep them.

    Anyone who follows sport in Europe knows that the big sporting clubs find it far more financially beneficial to develop their own players rather than buy rock stars.

    For too long now, the focus at Rugby Australia has been to sign players from other codes on massive money. That money would have paid for 20 to 40 full-time academy players.

    Hopefully we’re heading in the right direction in this area and Cheika should be applauded for taking the time to meet and encourage these talented schoolboys to stay in our game.

    It’s a B+ on the report card and we could only hope the resources will be sufficient to encourage our boys to stay with rugby.

    Which brings us to the professional game itself. We are continuing to lose players to Europe, with more and more Super Rugby players voting with their feet.

    When Rugby Australia pulled the pin on the Western Force, they created an oversupply of players, so the Australian Super Rugby franchises have had an advantage in contract negotiations.

    But it’s forcing quality players to go abroad and that’s diluting the strength and depth of playing talent in Australian rugby.

    The argument that we don’t have enough players for another Super Rugby side is rubbish. We’ve got plenty of players and they’re good players, but we lack quality coaches. And we lack money.

    So unless we can get more money into our game, which ought to be the job of the board of Rugby Australia, we’ll become a player factory for the big European clubs.

    Currently, the Super Rugby playing budget sits at around $5 million — that’s half of what the NRL spend and about a quarter of the big-spending European clubs.

    We have to face reality. Clyne is the reason Andrew Forrest and his proposed investment in our game has gone. Imagine if we had the resources Forrest offered.

    We could grow our playing budgets and keep our best players. We could inject resources into retaining our best young players; and we could improve the academy systems required to keep producing great players.

    The professional game in Australia is in jeopardy thanks to the cowardly retreat and abandonment of the Western Force.

    We need resources to grow our game — player resources, infrastructure resources and financial resources. We need to welcome potential investors like Forrest.

    The report card says D.

    The recommendation at the end of the report card is that the chairman should fall on his sword as soon as possible, take the rest of the board with him and give Castle some breathing space to reopen talks with Forrest and others.

    In short, it has not been a good first 200 days for Castle or Rugby Australia.

    Certainly, she inherited a broken system. But she carries with her baggage in the fact that she may well have created such a system at the rugby league club she left.

    The game is screaming out for some strong leadership and ideas. As Donald Trump would say, the swamp needs to be drained on many fronts.

    Schoolboy rugby would be a great place to start.

    If Castle can’t deal with a dinosaur like Wallace for the betterment of the schoolboy game, maybe she’s not cut out for the position.

    We need action people. If you want the job, you’ve got to bloody well do the job.

    The ship is taking on water and the captain is just shuffling the deck chairs.

    In a previous column I suggested Rugby Australia is receiving a $50 registration fee from junior players. Fees of between $11.75 (for juniors) and $33.75 (for seniors) are paid to state and territory member unions, not to Rugby Australia. I also previously suggested Pat Langtry, a teacher at St Edmunds College, Canberra, had been coach of the Australian Schoolboys from 1999 to 2017 and was sole selector in 2017. Langtry served two terms as coach, with others taking the role in between. There were two other selectors in 2017.

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    Its becoming more and more apparent that Cameron Clyne is the very definition of a Micro-Manager of the highest order.

    It would appear that Raelene Castle and Bill Pulver were employed as CEO not for the business or sporting administration nous but for their ability and willingness to be told what to do by Cameron Clyne.

    In any other Business Structure the Chairman is a figurehead who is trotted out for the Annual General Meeting and then is returned to the mothballs untill the same time next year.

    There is no way a CEO like John O'Neill - would accept the working conditions where he was not the centre of attention and was not able to do all of the announcements. Or sat along side Cameron Clyne and just nodded.

    I think its hard for Raelene Castle to be evaluated on her 200 days in office when she has not been allowed to get out from Cameron Clyne's shadow yet.

    One thing is certain Australian Rugby can only move forward when Cameron Clyne and the current board "fall on their sword"

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