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    I also think twiggy would be happy to develop the nrc into a decent feeder comp for wsr, but probably doesn't see how he could do that with the sticky fingered Sydney crowd in the boardroom

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    I wonder if they'll do something about brand recognition? Do they not care that people dunno who the teams or where they come from?

    Australia has always been the litmus test, Super Rugby does well here, it will drag NZ and SA up along with it.

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    Im sure Twiggy is just waiting to finish negotiating the RA endorsing the World Series Rugby tournament next year before he then decides to buy up all the best stars in super rugby and stacking the Force with a side that would kick the Wallabies ass any day of the week. Its all part of the master plan!

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    Really though if Australia wants to improve the fan interest in Australia then they should without question endorse New Zealands recomendation they drop the conference system. The comp is a farce, the fans know it, and the fans arent leaving, they've left! Its only Cameron Clyne left in the board room waving his dick around in front of his incompetent staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPaRTAN View Post
    Im sure Twiggy is just waiting to finish negotiating the RA endorsing the World Series Rugby tournament next year before he then decides to buy up all the best stars in super rugby and stacking the Force with a side that would kick the Wallabies ass any day of the week. Its all part of the master plan!
    I don't think it'd be wise to stack the force. That would turn wsr into the one sided shite feast that super rugby is. Sure the kiwis are pushing to abolish the conferences, that's because they would prefer all finals to be theirs. The dominance is one of the many reasons why nobody is interested in rugby anymore. Twiggy should buy the best players in all provinces and spread them evenly around the league with a coherent plan that will enable the local players to come up to the standard while the team as a whole is reasonably competitive in the whole system. Nobody wins with cricket scores.

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    Since they bombed out of the 2007 world cup, New Zealand have a done a tremendous job in rebuilding their rugby, shoring up all 5 Super teams to end speculation over the potential cutting of the Chiefs and get every one of them a premiership; they only want to drop the conference system now, because they'll have more teams in the finals. There is no altruism here. If New Zealand really held the overall well-being of the competition at heart, they would allow the competition to even itself up through all teams; by encouraging or demanding the other two original SANZAR members to increase revenue in some way so that they could address fundamental player-retention problems they are having; ie:

    -South Africa's economic/currency issues whereby players head overseas for contracts in Euros or Yen which dwarf Super and Currie Cup Rugby

    -Australia not being able to pay players more because we are the only rugby country in the original tri-national SANZAR grouping that actively has to use funds to continually fight off aggressive and deliberate (and somewhat underhanded) AFL encroachment in Qld and NSW; plus the encroachment of soccer and the ever-present threat of player-drain to league in an RL-culture. So we lose players overseas on contracts that aren't up to NRL-pay, just so they can stay playing the code they love.

    -threaten Japan with expulsion for not fielding a full-strength full of Japanese players; Argentina can do it.

    This could be done through a change in the share of the pay-TV pie, or allowing proper private interest to come in, not a restricted, hamstrung version like the Rebels; but something more akin to the clubs in Europe, but this time with the power and population of provinces behind them.

    When the addition of the Force and Cheetahs to create Super 14 evened up the travel schedule and the Bulls won three of the five titles in that format, New Zealand had no problem switching to the conference system then. Now that SA and Australia are crippled with useless teams that can only be fixed by big money contracts, and internal problems that can only be fixed by long-term solutions; New Zealand says "let's drop the conferences."

    The real way to revitalise the competition, is to give the branding some geographic meaning, even the competition up through all teams, make the travel the same difficulty for every team, and get brand recognition in the market with the biggest potential, Australia, which will pull the other two up with them.

    More meaningful games may also work, by lessening the amount of double-up fixtures and turning the international aspect of the comp into an end-of-season champions league type of finals series, but that's just brainstorming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibi View Post
    Since they bombed out of the 2007 world cup, New Zealand have a done a tremendous job in rebuilding their rugby, shoring up all 5 Super teams to end speculation over the potential cutting of the Chiefs and get every one of them a premiership; they only want to drop the conference system now, because they'll have more teams in the finals. There is no altruism here. If New Zealand really held the overall well-being of the competition at heart, they would allow the competition to even itself up through all teams; by encouraging or demanding the other two original SANZAR members to increase revenue in some way so that they could address fundamental player-retention problems they are having; ie:

    -South Africa's economic/currency issues whereby players head overseas for contracts in Euros or Yen which dwarf Super and Currie Cup Rugby

    -Australia not being able to pay players more because we are the only rugby country in the original tri-national SANZAR grouping that actively has to use funds to continually fight off aggressive and deliberate (and somewhat underhanded) AFL encroachment in Qld and NSW; plus the encroachment of soccer and the ever-present threat of player-drain to league in an RL-culture. So we lose players overseas on contracts that aren't up to NRL-pay, just so they can stay playing the code they love.

    -threaten Japan with expulsion for not fielding a full-strength full of Japanese players; Argentina can do it.

    This could be done through a change in the share of the pay-TV pie, or allowing proper private interest to come in, not a restricted, hamstrung version like the Rebels; but something more akin to the clubs in Europe, but this time with the power and population of provinces behind them.

    When the addition of the Force and Cheetahs to create Super 14 evened up the travel schedule and the Bulls won three of the five titles in that format, New Zealand had no problem switching to the conference system then. Now that SA and Australia are crippled with useless teams that can only be fixed by big money contracts, and internal problems that can only be fixed by long-term solutions; New Zealand says "let's drop the conferences."

    The real way to revitalise the competition, is to give the branding some geographic meaning, even the competition up through all teams, make the travel the same difficulty for every team, and get brand recognition in the market with the biggest potential, Australia, which will pull the other two up with them.

    More meaningful games may also work, by lessening the amount of double-up fixtures and turning the international aspect of the comp into an end-of-season champions league type of finals series, but that's just brainstorming...
    Henry pulling the ABs out of the first half of the 2007 season which really took the piss out of the comp saw a big decline in crowds in NZ. The Canes went from the second best attendances in the comp below the Stormers to appalling crowds that mirrored what the Highlanders used to get at Carisbrook on a cold and damp night. The realignment of the region with Taranaki moving to the Chiefs and the administrators taking the fans for grant didn't help either.

    NZ also lose a lot of Rugby juniors to the NRL they are getting them before they finish school in NZ to go over to Sydney. They can't get the ABs any more (like they did with Kirwan, Ellis, Innes, Ridge, etc) so they target juniors in Auckland and Waikato. The Blues have a lot of internal issues and this just exasperates it. To go with them losing players to other franchises they have to recruit from the outside bringing in players with no real attachment. The Chiefs also do a lot of recruiting.

    The duplicated derbies and bringing in the Rabble were a massive mistake that Aus Rugby is going to pay for another three years and more. The conferences which ensure guaranteed finals just rewards mediocrity so the quality of the Australian matches just deteriorated. Duplication returning in the current format hasn't brought back the crowds either.

    We will see about SA they will go behind Aus and NZ's back like they did with the 12 month negotiation to get in to the Pro 12. The poor state of their franchise's finances will be the tipping point. NZ really have their heads in the sand over this.

    Kerry Packer had a saying about Alan Bond, 'you only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime' you could say the same about Aus Rugby with de Clyne turning down Twiggy's $50 million and putting roadblocks on his competition which includes funding junior development.

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    Queensland Reds move to lock in Brad Thorn for 10-year reign
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    by JIM TUCKER
    Source: The Courier-Mail

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    THE spluttering Queensland Reds are exploring a better alignment with Rugby Australia so Brad Thorn gets the back-up to be a 10-year coach at the club.

    Snapping a damning five-season cycle of failure will only be possible with long term-structures not the instability of four head coaches and myriad staff changes over that period.

    Queensland Rugby Union chairman Jeff Miller said the alarm bells had been heeded over short-term fixes and pale results since the Reds last made the finals in 2013.

    “We want Brad Thorn as a 10-year head coach but it’s up to us to create the right high-performance environment for him to want to,” Miller said.

    Queensland Reds coach Brad Thorn has the support of the club. Picture: AAP
    Queensland Reds coach Brad Thorn has the support of the club. Picture: AAPSource: AAP

    “We are very supportive of Brad and the cultural change he has brought to the squad with some tough decisions.

    “Having a team show strong levels of commitment and pride, as it has done, was a large part of his signing last year.

    “It’s disappointing the Reds offer so much yet have been up or down and the QRU wants to provide the right support to be consistently better.”

    Minds are opening to change already.


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    Miller invited Ireland’s high-performance chief David Nucifora to address the QRU board recently and Scotland’s director of rugby Scott Johnson is doing the same this week.

    Closer ties to Rugby Australia spells “centralisation” and selling out Queensland rugby’s autonomy in some minds yet Miller hosed down those inflammatory descriptions.

    “You look at New Zealand, Ireland and Scotland and there are very successful alignments between the national and provincial levels for the benefit of both,” Miller said.

    “One thing Nucifora said was ‘don’t be afraid of strong alignment’.


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    “If we keep doing things the same way, we are going to get the same results so we are trying to understand what models are successful for long-term sustainability and the pitfalls.”

    The QRU’s cash-strapped state has triggered a call to Rugby Australia to advance a six-figure sum ahead of the normal payment date of a grant.

    “We are still on track to make a small profit this year so that was a request to smooth cash flow when you don’t have a home game for four weeks,” Miller said.

    More coaching assistance from Rugby Australia is one area being investigating through Sam Cordingley, the QRU’s general manager of Professional Rugby.

    Brad Thorn and the Reds are desperate to finish the season on high. Picture: AAP
    Brad Thorn and the Reds are desperate to finish the season on high. Picture: AAPSource: AAP
    Miller said core skills and strength development programs better conveyed from the national set-up to Super Rugby and into the club system made perfect sense.

    It dovetails into this week’s coaches’ summit in Sydney to develop a more cohesive plan to identify rising coaches and better develop them.

    “Developing coaches better is definitely in the way forward,” Miller said.

    “Queensland has been a leader in this area but it is crazy to think of the Australian coaching intellect overseas in (Scotland defensive coach) Matt Taylor, Nucifora, Johnson and others.

    “If offloading off the ground and breaking flatline defences, for example, are key areas, you need guys teaching the skills from Rugby Australia down.”

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    I guess Brad Thorn had earned a ten year contract from a club that needs to put its hand out to the governing body to stay afloat.

    The results speak for themselves don't they?

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    Hahaha-“centralisation from RA” ......”advance a sixfigure sum ahead of normal payment.......to smooth over cash flow....
    What franchise appears to be in a spot of trouble then?.........next one on the chopping block, or are they thinking they’re safer than the Brumbies?

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    Will they have to sell their IP? Hand back the license? Sign an "Alliance" agreement?

    Nope

    Rugby is almost as fucked as cycling

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    Quote Originally Posted by sittingbison View Post
    Will they have to sell their IP? Hand back the license? Sign an "Alliance" agreement?

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    Rugby is almost as fucked as cycling
    Na, because they are the establishment. Its always been a QLD/NSW vs the rest, its all about retaining power to the detriment of all the other unions. Power and greed and no accountability to ensure a fair democratic system is in place. To be honest the way the sport is goverened is inept and shocking.

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