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    I don't know where they were getting the information from that the Brumbies were approaching insolvency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakkies View Post
    Submission number 13 now has an attachment that I have just opened. It is the RA minutes from a meeting that was held in August 2016.
    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary...on/Submissions
    Read item 6.4

    I cant see how any of that could have meant culling the Force. What a fucking load of bollocks.
    The criteria for culling a team would be assessed based on:
    Costs
    Debt ratings
    Sports fans in market
    Membership yield
    Government support
    Governance issues
    Competition performance
    Strength of performance program
    Wallaby contribution
    Participation outcomes
    Status of economy
    And other matters

    How the fuck did Melbourne beat us based on the above
    #bloodisboilingrightnow

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    Government support especially as the RA have underfunded WA Rugby to go to the grassroots so they have stepped in along with Twiggy. The ACT Government have also upped their funding towards the Brumbies and the new Academy is linked to the University of Canberra.

    Didn't Hansie say that they were looking for a smoking gun from around August time last year?

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    Is it just me or does Appendix 1 make it look like ARU was going to take control of the Brumbies like they did the Force from 2017 onwards?

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    A strategic alliance was proposed without the sale of the IP then they scrapped the idea as Brumbies' books were better than they expected.

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    NOT ONE mention of the Melbourne Rebels or Waratah's. Some fluff at the start about the Reds.
    NOT ONE mention of the HUGE drain and strain the MRRU has been on the ARU, just some piss weak forward projects.

    Well they got the Brumbies wrong, they were the only club to post a profit this year.

    This was a very specific and targeted/biased report.

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    Penny has dropped. This is a leaked copy of THE board report that formed part of someone's submission to the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPaRTAN View Post
    Read item 6.4

    I cant see how any of that could have meant culling the Force. What a fucking load of bollocks.
    The criteria for culling a team would be assessed based on:
    Costs
    Debt ratings
    Sports fans in market
    Membership yield
    Government support
    Governance issues
    Competition performance
    Strength of performance program
    Wallaby contribution
    Participation outcomes
    Status of economy
    And other matters

    How the fuck did Melbourne beat us based on the above
    #bloodisboilingrightnow
    The scorecard was future focused not past focused.

    The scorecard didn't assign weightings it was assessed as a whole

    The scorecard had one unmentioned aspect upon which the final decision was made, it was are you the Western Force.

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    OK, just to be a stickler on timings....

    Board Meeting at ARU headquarters 18 Aug 16 started at 0745 and concluded at 1145. A lot was talked about in 4 hours, but the topic's and minutes do not reflect that.

    Within that board meeting they set a date for the next board meeting (27th Oct 16) where Clark and French were to present the recommended team to Cull.

    Why did the Chairman (redacted signature but assume Clyne) sign off on the August board meeting as being a true record on the 12th of DECEMBER 2016?

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    And still nothing in the media about the disgrace that this is. 😟

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jules View Post
    And still nothing in the media about the disgrace that this is. 😟
    I sent a tweet to Wayne Smith at the Oz yesterday morning asking him if the reason why he and his east coast colleagues had not yet written a word about the outcome of the Senate Inquiry was because they are waiting for the recommendations to be implemented and for results of the ASIC investigation. Needless to say, I received no reply.

    They have all either been bought off by the ARU and its heavies, or threatened with the loss of their media access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UAUdiver1959 View Post
    OK, just to be a stickler on timings....

    Board Meeting at ARU headquarters 18 Aug 16 started at 0745 and concluded at 1145. A lot was talked about in 4 hours, but the topic's and minutes do not reflect that.

    Within that board meeting they set a date for the next board meeting (27th Oct 16) where Clark and French were to present the recommended team to Cull.

    Why did the Chairman (redacted signature but assume Clyne) sign off on the August board meeting as being a true record on the 12th of DECEMBER 2016?
    I take it the blacked out bits are votes, objections raised, further topics and documentation.

    Of course de Clyne would do that as he could play dumb and say there was no meeting in August where this was discussed. The Sanzaar meetings were just after the RA meeting in August. How could the RA tell Sanzaar who are based in their own jurisdiction (I also find the items relating to Sanzaar's office on the RA financial reports rather interesting) that the board agreed to cull a team when there is no signed record of that meeting leading in to the ex com?

    I also don't know how Japan could recommend a cull in teams when they are not a member of Sanzaar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    I sent a tweet to Wayne Smith at the Oz yesterday morning asking him if the reason why he and his east coast colleagues had not yet written a word about the outcome of the Senate Inquiry was because they are waiting for the recommendations to be implemented and for results of the ASIC investigation. Needless to say, I received no reply.

    They have all either been bought off by the ARU and its heavies, or threatened with the loss of their media access.
    That doesn't stop Nick Taylor from posting it as his news seems to spread even though it is published in The West Australian. I wouldn't bother with Alan Jones the man said himself that he is finishing for the year next Tuesday so he won't take anymore corrie past tomorrow.

    When does Oliver Peterson finish for the year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakkies View Post
    I take it the blacked out bits are votes, objections raised, further topics and documentation.

    Of course de Clyne would do that as he could play dumb and say there was no meeting in August where this was discussed. The Sanzaar meetings were just after the RA meeting in August. How could the RA tell Sanzaar who are based in their own jurisdiction (I also find the items relating to Sanzaar's office on the RA financial reports rather interesting) that the board agreed to cull a team when there is no signed record of that meeting leading in to the ex com?

    I also don't know how Japan could recommend a cull in teams when they are not a member of Sanzaar.
    Earlier today I opened the file and the file did not have the blacked out bits, but now that I am home, I cant seem to open it without the blacked out bits - redacted bits . They related to the ARU Partner Survey and Women's sevens - there wasn't anything of interest (to me/us) there

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    Thanks Lou, doubt that it was four hours of spirited discussion about Partner Surveys and Women's 7.

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