How Twiggy will run his rebel rugby comp

[Bakkies]

And my question is, when you say "can't" and "have to", what is the or else? In your example, what could the WRU have done if the RFU had said OK and the teams went and played anyway? Complain to the IRB perhaps, but would the IRB really have delisted the Premiership or RFU for a couple of otherwise unloved clubs...

The players wouldn't be sanctioned, insured and registered.

they pulled up well short of that level of reaction even when the HC blew up (and who was it largely got their way when they finally negotiated the settlement for that?). And in our case too, what would the IRB do if the Asian countries recognised it and played anyway - it is not like they have anything much to lose.

Yes it did actually. Certain clubs within the LNR originally sided with the RRW and PRL when they wanted to created a new and 'exciting' European competition based upon a deal that PRL signed on behalf of everyone else behind their back with BT. The FFR sided with the union backed ERC (the existing Heineken Cup body) the FFR President Camou put the foot down stating to the French clubs that sided with PRL we will take you to court as according to French law only the FFR can govern and sanction Rugby within France. The clubs quickly went straight over to the FFR and took their side.

[zimeric]

The players wouldn't be sanctioned, insured and registered.




Yes it did actually. Certain clubs within the LNR originally sided with the RRW and PRL when they wanted to created a new and 'exciting' European competition based upon a deal that PRL signed on behalf of everyone else behind their back with BT. The FFR sided with the union backed ERC (the existing Heineken Cup body) the FFR President Camou put the foot down stating to the French clubs that sided with PRL we will take you to court as according to French law only the FFR can govern and sanction Rugby within France. The clubs quickly went straight over to the FFR and took their side.

FFR - French rugby union
LNR?
RRW?
PRL?
BT?
ERC - Heineken cup body?

too many acronyms... im confused

[beige]

Not sure why we're arguing - surely Bakkies' point is the first option and Andy's is the follow-up option?

[Bakkies]

FFR - French rugby union
LNR?
RRW?
PRL?
BT?
ERC - Heineken cup body?

too many acronyms... im confused

LNR- Ligue Nationale de Rugby
Regional Rugby Wales
PRL - Premiership Rugby Limited
BT- British Telecom
ERC - European Rugby Cup

The first three are club bodies.

[Bakkies]

Not sure why we're arguing - surely Bakkies' point is the first option and Andy's is the follow-up option?

Andy is basically suggesting going ahead with a rebel comp if the ARU don't sanction it. I don't think anyone including Twiggy and Rugby WA would want to go down that path

[F Man]

Andy is basically suggesting going ahead with a rebel comp if the ARU don't sanction it. I don't think anyone including Twiggy and Rugby WA would want to go down that path

[JSJ]

Andy is basically suggesting going ahead with a rebel comp if the ARU don't sanction it. I don't think anyone including Twiggy and Rugby WA would want to go down that path

Surely even the stupid ESRU board are not going knock back Twiggy's money twice? And 12 days before the senators release their findings.! The screaming protests from the NSW and Qld will surely nearly as loud as ours?

[GIGS20]

Surely even the stupid ESRU board are not going knock back Twiggy's money twice? And 12 days before the senators release their findings.! The screaming protests from the NSW and Qld will surely nearly as loud as ours?

90% of the NSW public who care will believe what Jamie pandaram tells them to believe. Until the senate inquiry start arranging jail terms and compensation that rea can't afford to pay

[AndyS]

Andy is basically suggesting going ahead with a rebel comp if the ARU don't sanction it. I don't think anyone including Twiggy and Rugby WA would want to go down that path

I'm sure they wouldn't prefer that path, but if the ARU don't sanction it what would be the alternative? If it is give up, I bet I know what the ARU will go for...

[Bakkies]

90% of the NSW public who care will believe what Jamie pandaram tells them to believe. Until the senate inquiry start arranging jail terms and compensation that rea can't afford to pay

Twiggy is playing it smart by luring the ARU in and back them in to a corner if they don't sanction it. He knows de Clyne and how to work him over.

He will go back to the IRB for them to put pressure on the ARU and make a competition announcement with a launch (there is nothing to stop him doing that). Then drag him in to a meeting room with the other unions that have actually signed up.

His tone at the recent announcement was far more forceful and it appears that he already has Government backing in the relevant Asian markets, the Australian Federal Government on board with support from Julie Bishop who is now the default Deputy PM and investors lined up. Even better with contracts in writing as that is one court case the ARU won't win.

[AndyS]

But the implication from what you've been saying is that all their hands are tied...if the ARU says no, it doesn't matter what happens next and the IRB can't do anything about it. They'll just have to shrug their shoulders and tell the other 5 member unions "Tough shit, Australia would prefer WA doesn't play anywhere, you having a competition is apparently not in the interests of 'Australian' rugby, so no professional rugby for you and don't care if you've all sponsored and recognised the competition".

[Bakkies]

Twiggy has already gone to the IRB and got them onside. The balls in the ARU's court. As stubborn as they are they have no choice here.

The IRB will drag the ARU (if they are still around) in to a boardroom if they say no and/or drag it out by stalling it. It is not in the IRB's interest for it not to proceed. They have been wanting to go in to the Asian market for sometime and they want a legacy for the 2019 RWC.

[AndyS]

So in other words the IRB doesn't need everyone to sign off at all. It is actually just up to them, then they tell those that disagree to get with the program.

But again, would be curious to know what the "or else" would be. There are lots of people certain of what can and can't be done, but I wonder how much just hinges on everyone agreeing to believe it.

[BLR]

So in other words the IRB doesn't need everyone to sign off at all. It is actually just up to them, then they tell those that disagree to get with the program.

But again, would be curious to know what the "or else" would be. There are lots of people certain of what can and can't be done, but I wonder how much just hinges on everyone agreeing to believe it.

The ARU only have their power through the grace of World Rugby. If the ARU were to decide to go it alone and deny this competition would they not be the ones on the outer here?

World Rugby could simply apply sanctions upon them until they get their way similar to the FIFA v Football Australia situation.

[Bakkies]

The ARU only have their power through the grace of World Rugby. If the ARU were to decide to go it alone and deny this competition would they not be the ones on the outer here?

That's why he has them backed in to a corner.