Terms of Reference for a Senate Inquiry into the Future of Rugby Union in Australia

[BLR]

If that were the case, watch the (E)ARU move heaven and earth to create a comp for their 'darlings' to play in! Nothing like a double standard.

All the more reason to run the IPRC to smash them instead of as a 'holding pattern' for the ARU teams to waltz on in.

[Hansie]

[QUOTE=Tonkar;444030]

To Spartan,

To provide some feedback - we need to make decisions with our heads going forward. With the exception of the Insurance payment, all other monies attached to subscriptions, players/member fees come back to WA. Essentially there are 3 broad components. Insurance, WA rugby registration/ competition management and finally club fees. )))))))))

Hansie This has really nothing to do with me as I don't play or have children who do and I might be a little cynical here but ,,,, Why does the money have to come back.. Can't Rugby WA collect it all and forward the funds.. I just don't trust that mob over east...

Australian Rugby has a central computer based registration system - RugbyLink - Every player registers and movements from club to club and even State to State can be covered. One reason is to make sure a sanction for a Red Card offence cannot be avoided by the guilty player heading elsewhere to play. Another reason why money heads East and then back is that the ARU has negotiated a Country wide Insurance Policy. The ARU also uses the numbers on Rugby link to see where growth is and isn't. These guys in the ARU in High performance and general Admin are not the baddies.

[jargan83]

I object to a single dollar of my rego fees for next year going to the ARU.

[blueandblack]

... These guys in the ARU in High performance and general Admin are not the baddies.

Just the senior management and board.

[brokendown gunfighter]

I object to a single dollar of my rego fees for next year going to the ARU.

looks like you have retired,then

[Bakkies]

RUPA's reply to their questions on notice is now up. RUPA have confirmed they received a copy of the 'Alliance Agreement' on June 15 2016 from Richard Hawkins

[GIGS20]

In case I missed it, did the Senate Inquiry ever receive the fabled ARU ‘spreadsheet’ or the morphed ‘score Card’?

I believe, if you listen to Clyne's testimony carefully, he mentions that they are now able to look at the extensive fabricated evidence which justifies retaining the millstone over the productive, standards-driven business with a guarantor.

I would assume, yes the Inquiry have it and it's bound by Commercial confidence. therefore redacted beyond useability.

[GIGS20]

RUPA's reply to their questions on notice is now up. RUPA have confirmed they received a copy of the 'Alliance Agreement' on June 15 2016 from Richard Hawkins

At least RUPA are interested in the truth getting out.

[Bakkies]

Timeline of RUPA's meetings with the 'ARU'

In regard to Question 18, and the extent of negotiations conducted for a new Australian Rugby
Collective Bargaining Agreement in 2017, please see below a full list of all meetings conducted
between RUPA and ARU. These meetings include background and information gathering
discussions, as well as two extended all-in negotiation sessions.
i. 23 June 201 6
ii. 28 July 201 6
iii. 1 August 201 6
iv. 2 August 2016
V. 19 August 2016
vi. 30 August 2016
vii. 8 September 201 6
viii. 14 September 2016
ix. 27 September 201 6
X. 29 September 201 6
xi. 6 October 2016
xii. 11 October 2016
xiii. 25 October 201 6
xiv. 27 October 2016
xv. 8 November 2016
xvi. 11 November 2016
RUPA CBA Presentation to Australian Rugby Strategy Group
RUPA included in ARU Professional Rugby Workshop
RUPA Presentation to ARU Board HR Committee
RUPA Meeting with ARU: Financials & High Performance Models
RUPA Meeting with ARU: Financials Follow-up
CBA Bargaining Session # 1
RUPA Meeting with ARU - Sevens
CBA Bargaining Session# 2
RUPA Meeting with ARU -Action Items Follow Up
RUPA Meeting with ARU - Further Follow Up
RUPA Meeting with ARU - Agents & Medical Policies
RUPA Meeting with ARU - Image Rights & Commercial
RUPA & ARU CEOs Meeting
RUPA-ARU Joint Board Meeting
ARU "Stakeholder Summit Meeting"
RUPA Meeting with ARU - CBA Next Steps

Notwithstanding the effort and engagement between the Parties, to which the dates above are
testimony, the growing uncertainty over the future of Super Rugby was ultimately too significant a
de-stabilising influence on the negotiations; and the CBA still had some time until 31 December
2017 to run.

[jono]

looks like you have retired,then

It will be interesting to compare the WA numbers of league and union this year and next year to see the impact and change in the numbers.

[Bakkies]

At least RUPA are interested in the truth getting out.

There has been no mention of the CBA being negotiated and time is running out.

[GIGS20]

One thing that bothers me is if Super Rugby is done in 2020, why the hell could the ARU have not just found funding options until that time and re-evaluate. Why cut a team and then presumably bring them back for this new comp. 3 years out in the wilderness for what?

OK, I've been chewing on this for a while, please excuse the late reply.

The ARU have never looked that far into the Future. Their statements about the move to cut a team being future focused is only the smokescreen they have used to justify choosing to cut the team that was starting to force players into the selection frame. the only future they have taken into account is next year.

Pick up some better signings for the Tahs, pick up a financial bonus from SANZAaR for cutting a team, make an attempt to stop the bleeding in Melbourne and shut up the loud voices around the boardroom table (remember Clyne is a Victorian Rugby Representative) and keep the various NSW interest groups at bay with the promise of 6 million bucks a year to "piss up a wall"

Beyond 2018, no projections have been done, no desire to run any projections has been evident, they want to take the cash and run.

Their strategic plan probably doesn't include scenarios such as Super Rugby's imminent death.

[UAUdiver1959]

"Their strategic plan probably doesn't include scenarios such as Super Rugby's imminent death."

Nor did their plan factor in a Senate Inquiry and a State that won't go away, roll over or lay down!!!

[Bakkies]

Brendan Venter's take on the ARU and VRU Senate Inquiry responses so far

[The InnFORCEr]