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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    They probably object to the certainty with which you state most of the likely outcomes of the inquiry.

    It would be a lot more agreeable to any media outlet with a liberal sprinkling of "allegedly" and "senator Reynolds acuused" in it.

    If you manage all the arse covering and they still don't want it, then you have a genuine cause for complaint
    They were happy to put up countless articles suggesting that the Force move to Parramatta and the Brumbies merge with the Rebels which were never going to happen. I would use that if they come back with a counter argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakkies View Post
    They were happy to put up countless articles suggesting that the Force move to Parramatta and the Brumbies merge with the Rebels which were never going to happen. I would use that if they come back with a counter argument.
    Easier to deal in bullshit then hard truths that show how royally screwed their governing body has made them.

    But, I think the tone is the problem, it's quite inflammatory and probably needs to just lay the facts out there without the anger associated with it. Let people make their own mind up.

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    So, I try to post a little comment about John Eales article today in the Australian (twice) and the editor does not post it. So he is not 'irrelevant and has not sat on his hands and overseen the darkest days in Australian rugby'. I thought I was pretty accurate?

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    Having looked at the RA website's article about Ainsley, Josephine has stated that she has read the article

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    Quote Originally Posted by UAUdiver1959 View Post
    So, I try to post a little comment about John Eales article today in the Australian (twice) and the editor does not post it. So he is not 'irrelevant and has not sat on his hands and overseen the darkest days in Australian rugby'. I thought I was pretty accurate?
    The truth can be very inconvenient. Is the Oz owned by Murdoch, who owns Fox, who have been granted the broadcast rights by the ARU, who have a board member called John Eales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    The truth can be very inconvenient. Is the Oz owned by Murdoch, who owns Fox, who have been granted the broadcast rights by the ARU, who have a board member called John Eales?
    who is a shareholder and director in Quarterback International.

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    I have updated Timbo's article

    "The Force Corpse Just Twitched"

    The current Senate Inquiry into the ‘Future of Rugby Union in Australia’ has brought some significant information to light, if not the greater Rugby media.

    For more information in regards to the Inquiry can found on the Senate Committee website on https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary...reofrugbyunion .

    Following the recent hearing last Monday there has barely been a peep about it here on The Roar which is why I have written this article and this topic needs visibility.

    In the vast majority of articles published since Monday’s hearing there have been important pieces of information missing that are stated on public record. The transcripts can be found and referenced here https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary...ublic_Hearings in the transcripts column

    1. The ARU had board level discussions confirming the intent to axe an Australian Super Rugby team 8 days before signing the ‘Alliance Agreement’ with the Western Force.
    2. Cameron Clyne took umbrage over Senator Reynolds having access to this damming information and minutes from ARU meetings, he believed to be confidential.
    3. There have been allegations in to the financial activities of Imperium in regards to using ARU funds to pay themselves hefty consultancy fees and siphoning money through a web of companies. The anomalies in the MRRU Financial Reports can be found on the ASIC website.
    4. Through looking at publicly available account information online that can be found on the NZ Companies Office website. Imperium appeared to have been technically insolvent at the commencement of the contract. The report is linked here https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/...26q%3Dimperium

    By running a director/shareholder search on the NZ Companies Office website it also highlight a separate organisation linked to Imperium titled Praetorian Private Equity which hasn’t be questioned in the Senate Inquiry hearings to date. The two Imperium companies and Eichardt’s Hotel Management Limited list Praetorian Private Equity as their ultimate holding company.
    THE IMPERIUM COLLECTION LIMITED (5406001) - Director
    COX, Andrew Lawton
    IMPERIUM GROUP HOLDINGS LIMITED (3236877) - Director
    COX, Andrew Lawton
    EICHARDT'S HOTEL MANAGEMENT LIMITED (3219706) - Director

    An investigation needs to be run in to whether ARU funds that were meant to be directed to the game of Rugby rather went to Andrew Cox’s web of companies.
    5. Through running a quick IP search online the ARU held/hold the Rebels IP and had the ability to "Exit" the Melbourne Rebels from the competition.

    The implications of the first point may result in the "Western Force - ARU Alliance Agreement" being null and void, as now there is evidence that it was negotiated in bad faith.

    This means that there may be a new hope for the picked over carcass of the defunct franchise.

    For both Imperium and the ARU board members involved, an ASIC investigation launched in to these allegations and financial dealings.

    Senator Reynolds is quoted in the transcripts stating that ‘the ARU should probably sack whomever did the due diligence on that deal.’

    Cameron Clyne was heard to distance himself from this so fast it made Usain Bolt nervous about losing his 100m record.

    So we now turn to speculate about what happens next.

    Many ships have sailed and Twiggy's IPRC is already in motion. We await further press conferences from Andrew Forrest and his team.

    In my opinion, the chances of the Western Force being restored next season remain grim. There might be trouble brewing for the ARU, there is near certainly that Andrew Cox will be under investigation.

    I am hoping that we can find an outcome that maintains an Australia-wide rugby footprint that includes a legitimate and finally financially viable Victoria to go with the vibrant Western Australian Rugby community however I fear that the already sharpened pitchforks and "Kill the Rebels!, Kill The Rebels!" chant will go from a murmur to a deafening roar.

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    Good work Bakkies

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    Two things
    I think we should start asking questions to both RUPA and the ARU about what is happening to the balance of the Force playing group. I know that they have stuck together and are pretty loyal BUT other franchises are signing uncapped and ex soccer players into their squads whilst our guys are without an employer next year. IF they have all agreed to reject other offers and wait for Twiggy's new conference, well and good. Like everyone else on this site, I hope that they don't go to the Rebels and the Rebels fail next year (sorry Dave). I want the Rebels to fail and go broke again (sorry Dave again).

    We need to be the voice and sheriff and monitor the other franchise and what they put their hands out for....if they want cash they need to sign over their IP's to the ARU and sign an Alliance Agreement. If they get cash without this then it further demonstrates how manipulative and unfair the ARU were to RubgyWA. I did read an snippet from Sittingbison that the Reds have had a request for $2m? We all know that the Rebels will have their grubby hands in the trough very soon to pay for their organisation...I'm hearing that they can't pay out going coaching staff's relocation fee's and final wages......

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    [QUOTE=mothy;443500]Yeh I did send a message yesterday Bakkies, only problem I have is that I can

    I have sent emails to ABC and Tim Gossage of 6IX

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    [QUOTE=Alison;443612]I listen to ABC News Radio religiously and there has not been a single mention in any of their half

    Alison I have sent a very long terse email to the wally at the ABC ....

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    [QUOTE=shasta;443652]Not a bad idea, actually. But I don't agree that none of them care. I would put it more that they have not paid attention and largely accept that one team had to go

    I remember at the first senate inquiry that Pulver said that only "people" from the West have been vocal about our axing... which is another untruth to see some of the websites from as far afield as the UK, Ireland, and Wales.. PLONKER...lying, cheating, self serving greedy bastard..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSJ View Post
    Good work Bakkies
    No worries.

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    [QUOTE=hertryk;443915]
    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Not a bad idea, actually. But I don't agree that none of them care. I would put it more that they have not paid attention and largely accept that one team had to go

    I remember at the first senate inquiry that Pulver said that only "people" from the West have been vocal about our axing... which is another untruth to see some of the websites from as far afield as the UK, Ireland, and Wales.. PLONKER...lying, cheating, self serving greedy bastard..
    Exactly. Once a proven liar there is no coming back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakkies View Post
    I have updated Timbo's article
    Thanks Bakkies.
    Knowing that there was little to no chance this article would get published, I sold my soul and wrote, bowing to editorial pressures and wrote another one. It doesn't have the same punch of the original but I am hoping it will at least get the message out there.

    Here it is, Be kind!

    “Rugby Senate inquiry – A New Hope or Fools Gold?”
    Media coverage of the Senate Inquiry into the state of Australian Rugby lead by Western Australian Senator Lynda Reynolds has been sparse and content and conclusions varied depending on longitude and relative distance from the ARU media.
    The beliefs over here in the west have the ARU pre-meditatively concocting a potion expressly designed to poison the Western Force, forcing them to relinquish their Super Rugby Franchise.
    The view in the east has the ARU excising a failing organisation, heading for financial ruin, draining much needed funds from ARU coffers and away from Australia’s Rugby future. The Inquiry is an unjust witch hunt wasting valuable taxpayer resources.
    With a Western Australian Senator at the helm, and the targeted line of questioning recorded in the transcripts, there can be no doubt that the inquiry is in fact, a witch hunt.
    But some curious things have come to light: a pointed hat, a long nose, a large black cauldron, some strange looking jars containing amphibian eyeballs and something that looks and smells a lot like bats wings.
    Bill Pulver and Cameron Clyne insist that the ARU are throwing a cracking Halloween party on Tuesday at the end of this month, Senator Reynolds is following a trail of breadcrumbs leading to what might just be the gingerbread house of cards where its victim was imprisoned before they were cannibalized.
    So what, of relevance, do we know for sure?
    What is the impact if they find a caged Hansel being fattened up by the coven of the Gingerbread men.
    What will be the blowback if it turns out to be just a solid foundation for great parties in the future?
    The Melbourne Rebels:
    The Force fans’ favourite straw-man, “They should be axed instead of the WA franchise, they are performing badly both on and off the field and have cost the ARU a lot of money.”
    Well it turns out many of the speculations were true, but since they were in the past, were not relevant to the decision making process. Andrew Cox’s Imperium group were able to negotiate a sweetheart deal with the ARU where they received additional, unrestricted funds. Forensic accountancy indicates that the money was used for non-rugby purposes. The technical solvency of the Imperium group was brought into question as well.
    There was also a surprising assertion that the ARU contractually had the right to “Exit” the Rebels if their decision making process led them to that conclusion.
    Senator Reynolds closed this topic with the suggestion that the ARU should sack whomever did the due diligence on this deal, Cameron Clyne said that they found nothing of concern at the time but he also distanced himself from the deal so quickly, he got a call from Usain Bolt, worried about losing his 100m record.
    Other than some questionable, lucrative contracts, the Rebels, now in the Hands of the VRU, have signed super coach Dave Wessels and other key players, effectively creating the Melbourne based and Lucas Arts copyright infringing “Rebel Force” and closed this sordid chapter until the next broadcast renegotiation.
    Timeline of the Alliance agreement:
    The inquiry established that the ARU had formally discussed the culling of a super rugby side 8 days prior to inking the Alliance agreement with the notorious “Exit” clause. To some, this is a smoking gun. To the ARU the discussions were spit ball ideas on how to improve their financial situation and there was no plan, nor intent to execute the submarine clause. Cameron Clyne did react to Senator Reynolds line of questioning, surprised that the senate had access to information that he believed to be confidential. He suggested that ASIC should be involved to investigate the leak of the sensitive and potentially damming information.
    If witness claims can be substantiated, the Alliance Agreement could be void if it can be established that it was negotiated in bad faith, it could remove the ARU’s legal ability to “Exit” the Force. This could have major, far reaching implications and I would suggest would also impact the ARU’s ability to claim court costs for defending the 2 injunctions.
    Money makes the world go round.
    Claims about how much each government or philanthropic billionaire offered , when and what was actually required to avoid the headmans axe remains ambiguous, with numbers, conditions and certainty varying from source to source, and in the case of the famous Adelaide meeting, the two parties can’t seem to agree on what was actually discussed, further muddying the waters.
    I end this submission with no conclusion and more questions than answers.
    Is there a genuine hope to resurrect the Western Force’s Super Rugby Franchise?
    What is the plan for Grass Roots Rugby in Western Australia? The ARU Threatened to defund it if they didn’t drop the injunction and allegedly asked Twiggy to pay for it at the Adelaide meeting.
    What are the senate recommendations due on November 13 going to contain?
    Does the WA government have the right to claim loss of 3 years of income for NIB stadium and the Force Headquarters? Does the ARU hold the Liability for potentially millions of dollars of investment?
    With the IPRC gaining momentum and Force players scattering to the winds, if the alliance agreement is voided, is it too late to reverse the process?
    My personal view is that the ARU carefully orchestrated the removal of the Western Force. Sufficient proof, barring the emergence of a whistle-blower or meeting minutes “accidently” left in the boardroom, will be near impossible to find. This inquiry, like The Western Force’s Super Rugby future will fade silently into the night. The ARU might have their Sports Australia funding pulled and diverted to Rugby WA if they fail to fund grass roots programs to maintain a Rugby footprint in the West.

    The Wests reporting on the inquiry
    https://thewest.com.au/sport/rugby-u...-ng-b88631072z
    The Daily Telegraph’s take on it
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...d925a184ca6fcc
    A very different perspective from Rugby.com.au
    https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2017/1...senate-inquiry
    If you have the time, the official Senate transcripts are here:
    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary...ublic_Hearings

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