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    Liam Messam and Patrick Lambie have been scrubbed

    How Sanzaar shot themselves in the foot with Liam Messam and Pat Lambie rulings


    15 hours agoby CHRISTY DORANSource: FOX SPORTS
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    IT’S meant to be the premier domestic rugby competition in the world.


    But Super Rugby’s administrating body Sanzaar have placed that title in doubt after ruling two of the competition’s stars ineligible for the finals because of a technicality.


    On Monday, Sanzaar made the surprising decision to scrub Sharks captain Pat Lambie and Chiefs great Liam Messam out of the playoffs.


    It was a black and white decision by Super Rugby’s governing body.


    Sanzaar’s argument was that it didn’t want to set a precedent of bending laws to allow players to waltz in at the back-end of a season and then feature during finals.


    Under current laws, a player must be either included in four match-day squads (they don’t have to step foot on the field) or be registered as a player before April 30 to be automatically eligible for the finals.


    Neither Lambie nor Messam met the criteria.


    Only in “exceptional team circumstances” may a player who does not qualify for the above criteria be considered to feature in a final.


    “It’s simply based on tournament rules,” said Greg Thomas, Sanzaar’s media and communications manager.


    “Tournament rules state that a player like Patrick, who’s come into the squad after the original naming of the squad, has to have played four games.


    Liam Messam of the Chiefs looks on in disappointment at Westpac Stadium.
    Liam Messam of the Chiefs looks on in disappointment at Westpac Stadium.
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    “At this moment in time he hasn’t played four games, so it would take exceptional circumstance for him to come into the squad.


    “When it comes to the exceptional circumstances, we have ruled that Liam Messam and Patrick and a host of other players aren’t available for this weekend’s finals based on the criteria.


    “Who’s to say what happens this weekend with further injuries and coaches and teams wanting to come back to us with exceptional circumstances, than Sanzaar will look at those.”


    But hang on a second.


    Lambie’s the captain of the Sharks — how was he not included in the Sharks’ original 40-man squad?


    Well, the Sharks must fess up and take some responsibility for the end result because they didn’t include Lambie in that squad.


    The Durban-based franchise naively believed that Lambie, despite missing the first half of the season because of a shoulder injury sustained in pre-season, would play at least four matches and, therefore, meet the eligibility requirements regardless of whether or not he was named.


    They did this to keep as many developing players on their roster as possible.


    It backfired.


    Less than a month after taking the field for the Sharks, Lambie was concussed during the first Test against Ireland in June — which unlike The Rugby Championship isn’t a Sanzaar run tournament — and hasn’t been sighted since.


    Pat Lambie of the Sharks lines up a kick at Jose Amalfitani Stadium.
    Pat Lambie of the Sharks lines up a kick at Jose Amalfitani Stadium.
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    With Garth April now starting, Sanzaar believe the Sharks have enough depth in the position to cover Lambie’s absence.


    While the case of Messam is substantially different to that of Lambie, it’s equally concerning.


    Messam, who took leave from the Chiefs in an unsuccessful attempt to represent New Zealand at the Rio Olympics, has been ruled out, despite playing the final two rounds, because he’s signed a two-year contract to join Toshiba in the Japanese Top League.


    This follows New Zealand sevens coach Sir Gordon Tietjens’ recent decision to leave Messam out of his 12-man Olympic squad.


    But Sanzaar, we’re not talking about any old bloke.


    We’re talking about the Chiefs’ most capped player of all-time with 146 Super Rugby appearances under his belt.


    He’s a player who until this year was the Chiefs’ skipper, a two-time


    Super Rugby champion, as well as a World Cup-winning All Blacks with 43 Tests to his name.


    Wake up to yourselves Sanzaar.


    These two cases are exceptional.


    They’re completely different to that of veteran Waratahs lock Dean Mumm, who last year returned after three seasons in England to the NSW franchise with three rounds remaining.


    South Africa’s Andy Marinos is the chief executive of Sanzaar.
    South Africa’s Andy Marinos is the chief executive of Sanzaar.
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    Lambie was always a part of the Sharks squad, regardless of whether his name was inked on that initial piece of paper.


    Likewise, Messam was either in New Zealand or travelling with the national sevens team.


    It’s also understood that Messam will return to the Chiefs for another season in 2017, before heading back to Japan for his second year.


    Some might say it’s poor management from the Chiefs to not have included Messam in the initial squad — as they did with Rio-bound Sonny Bill Williams and Augustine Pulu — but he was widely expected to be picked by Tietjens,


    Flexibility must be shown.


    Super Rugby can’t afford to have a one size fits all approach.


    The spectre of rich northern hemisphere clubs lingers over Super Rugby.


    Decisions like this will only push the game’s elite away.


    Sanzaar says it wants the best players playing the game.


    Well, with all due respect, you’re not showing the paying public that that is the case.


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    Well the rule is pretty clear and as unfortunate as it is, both should not be allowed to play.

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    yeah, sorry Christy, but the rules were known to all and it is what it is.
    your article is basically a whinge for no reason.

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    Yes, I find the article funny too. Basically, Liam Messam is a supreme legend and all rules should be bent for him while Dean Mumm is just some old plod.

    Although it is the Sharks' own fault, I think Lambie has a stronger case to be allowed to play. He missed games due to injury rather than because he was off doing something else. I figure the rules are there to prevent players swanning back in to finals after a stint in Europe or elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Yes, I find the article funny too. Basically, Liam Messam is a supreme legend and all rules should be bent for him while Dean Mumm is just some old plod.

    Although it is the Sharks' own fault, I think Lambie has a stronger case to be allowed to play. He missed games due to injury rather than because he was off doing something else. I figure the rules are there to prevent players swanning back in to finals after a stint in Europe or elsewhere.
    yeah but even on that, they didn't register him as a player by April 30? that's round 10.
    gotta live with the consequences now.

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    Christy, with all due respect, you're the definition of the word F@%kwit.

    I don't care who Messam is, If he started the season wanting to play sevens and didn't succeed why should the rules be bent for him?

    Maybe, if that's the case, Jarryd Hayne should be eligible for the Wallabies and therefore be counted as a league convert and receive supplemental salary assistance from the ARU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post

    Maybe, if that's the case, Jarryd Hayne should be eligible for the Wallabies and therefore be counted as a league convert and receive supplemental salary assistance from the ARU?
    Watch this space on that one......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Watch this space on that one......
    The ARU aren't in control of his eligibility for the Wallabies, therefore I can't see the Waratahs having enough pull to make that stick.

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    Heard on the radio tonight that they have made him a generous offer......the arrogant shit said he would only be interested in playing union if it was for the Tahs, which was no doubt music to the ARU's ears.

    Was there ever any evaluation done as to how many extra supporters Folau pulled in (if any)?? I doubt it. Yet the ARU looks poised to do it again.

    Proves to me that they have no actual intention of doing anything for grassroots rugby, and especially not if it's outside NSW.

    It's a crock; and so is the idea that they want to see the Force become a competitive, winning franchise.

    Sorry Hansie but if Hayne arrives in union, any agreement the ARU has with RugbyWA is a sham at best.

    Rant over.

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    Meh. I don't trust them.

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    Can we put hayne in his own thread please?

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    Why isn't there an injured reserve on rosters for cases like Lambie? I feel bad for him and the Sharks, they were a much better team with him.

    As for Liam, I'm ok with leaving him out. The rules were set well before he made his decision to try for 7s so it should have been part of his decision process.

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