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    Quote Originally Posted by travelling_gerry View Post
    Super Coach Wayne Bennett said you needed to churn 30% of a squad each year to maintain improvement.
    Perhaps, but then he had the luxury of picking those players out of an underlying competition where they had already proven themselves as the pick of a large near-ready bunch. Aside from the few good picks we already know about, we'll once again get largely unknown quantities that on the balance of probabilities won't make it or will spend their whole time here just trying to get over the big step up. Five of them prove to be fragile, we'll be picking amateurs out of club ranks again. Five of them prove inadequate for a year and a half, we're stuck playing them as you can only replace injuries.

    There will always be a few journeymen in the squad - this is Australia rather than NZ and there is nothing underneath but shifting sand. And this certainly isn't Sydney where we get all the assistance in the world to accumulate players. Perhaps better at least a few of the devils that we know well enough to build tactics around for a bit, rather than roll the dice each year. At least until we can genuinely identify (or preferably develop) genuine alternatives 'cos this isn't a once-off, we do this every year. When was the last time we fielded anything like the same backline one year to the next? We always talk about building something, but how do you build a strong structure if you knock out and replace half the bricks every year?

    Alternatively, find a way to get fifty potentials training as full professionals so we have a half decent chance of finding five that'll make it. Because right now we are just doing exactly what we have always done and it has never worked yet.

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    pulver has given us the chance to have another 30 or so in our organisation by finally killing off the national academies and implementing the super b comp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Maybe Lachie wasn't happy in Perth and wanted to go back to NSW?
    I think you could be right Alison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    pulver has given us the chance to have another 30 or so in our organisation by finally killing off the national academies and implementing the super b comp
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    Do we get extra funding to pay for these players? I mean, if they are only playing curtain raisers before the Super Rugby matches, you unlikely to get any extra gate revenue, and the ARU is saying it's broke

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    Is Nonu signed up for a Super club for 2014?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zed View Post
    Is Nonu signed up for a Super club for 2014?
    Dont think so the Blues have said they dont want him but dear God Dont bring him here he is the touch of death for all Super Rugby Teams.

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    Sias should go now...IMveryHO......

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    I'm not sure if Sias' problem is that he can only play one way, and it's not a mode of playing which suits us, or if he's only had to play one way in SA, and will take time to adapt, or even if he played the way Foley wanted him to and we just didn't execute/fans didn't like the kicks.

    It's hard on him to come here for a year, play on a team which didn't seem to suit him, get Holmes recruited, and is then cut; especially if we're losing SNK as well and want Godwin to remain at 12. Would Sias want to be a bench 10 if he's only used as injury cover for Holmes? (I'd prefer keeping SNK as he covers 10/12/15.)

    At least Sias doesn't look out of place in Super Rugby - recruiting a fly-half from the local comp or Shute Shield would be a risk.

    This also raises the issue of the purpose of the development player - if you recruit foreign players who can't hold down a starting spot against an Australian player who hasn't yet played an international themselves, why are they here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    pulver has given us the chance to have another 30 or so in our organisation by finally killing off the national academies and implementing the super b comp
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    Not sure where you get 30 from - the B will be the remainders of the current 30 man squad who don't get game day action and another 10-15.

    With the National Academy closing, this should free up funds to support this though how much is anyone's guess - You are asking players to train as a professional, precluding them from earning any outside coin and hope that there is some compensation for this. I hope that the ARU get the balance right this time around as it will help develop more local Force players over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheikh View Post
    Do we get extra funding to pay for these players? I mean, if they are only playing curtain raisers before the Super Rugby matches, you unlikely to get any extra gate revenue, and the ARU is saying it's broke
    I get your point Sheikh, but it isn't really boosting our team with full blown professionals, it's more like an extension of our academy.

    I predicted long ago that this would be the result, it's a handy way of the ARU taking the academy money away and wrapping the whole package in glitter.

    There's plenty of corporate money in the west, and the academy set up is unlikely to have a salary cap or restrictions on third party funding, so the force will probably be on its own. This isn't entirely a bad thing, it'll allow rugbyWA to throw some funding at it and get involved to whatever level they like. I say use it as a development pathway for local players, bugger buying in expensive eastern staters.

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    Dinky, 30 is a rugby squad, that's why I pulled that number out of thin air. The first five will be EPS contracts, then you'd expect every player in our academy to get a seat, add in a bunch of blow ins from local club rugby and I can't imagine it would be hard to find 30 regulars.

    Im not sure that many of the full contracts will see much game time, injury cover would be the first concern. Perhaps blokes like CTM and Eddy Stubbs who don't ever get much of a look into the big show!

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    Sias seemed to go really down hill since the Cheetah's game.. when he played against his brother... maybe he's homesick.. and wants to go... ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by hertryk View Post
    Sias seemed to go really down hill since the Cheetah's game.. when he played against his brother... maybe he's homesick.. and wants to go... ???
    Possibly; but Steenkamp (?spelling) said that he had spoken a lot with Sias before deciding to sign for the Force and that he had encouraged him to come. So, who knows??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Possibly; but Steenkamp (?spelling) said that he had spoken a lot with Sias before deciding to sign for the Force and that he had encouraged him to come. So, who knows??
    Maybe Sias doesn't know that Hertryk has a thing (against) him and only hears his name when she shouts and has told all his SA mates about his new cheer leader! ��

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