Stiles calls on Force to make sacrifices

[travelling_gerry]

Stiles calls on Force to make sacrifices

NICK TAYLOR, The West Australian November 19, 2010, 9:37 am



New Western Force forwards coach Nick Stiles does not have the overused 'rebuilding' in his rugby vocabulary.
But 'sacrifice' features pretty highly.
"I don't like the term 'rebuilding'. It is too often used as an excuse for losing," the former Wallabies and Queensland Reds prop said.
"We want to succeed and to do that everyone has to make sacrifices.
"Obviously we've got a lot of new players and new coaching staff and I want drive and go forward and that will mean sacrifice.
"Players have got to put in. We will expect the best from them."
Stiles, who has been forwards coach with Japanese club Kubota Spears since 2007, will join defence coach Phil Blake, currently with the Wallabies, in head coach Richard Graham's team.
The Queensland connection between Stiles and former Reds fullback Graham goes back a long way. The pair have known each other since high school and played for the Reds together early in their careers.
Graham spoke with former Wallaby coach Eddie Jones who is in charge of Suntory before making his decision.
"Eddie spoke very highly of Nick," Graham said.
"I searched long and hard and I know I have come up with the right man to take us forward.
"Nick is a very good and very strong communicator.
"I want one voice to coach scrum and lineout, a voice the players can go to for direction.
"It is important to have one person to give the forward pack an identity, to galvanise the group, make them abrasive, do things together."
Stiles won 12 Test Caps and played for the Reds 96 times, including an unbroken run of 90 consecutive appearances, between 1998 and 2004.
He made his Australian debut in 2001 when the Wallabies recorded a historic series triumph over the British and Irish Lions.
He moved to Japan after a coaching spell at Queensland University.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/spo...ke-sacrifices/

[MI5_Dog]

The Queensland connection between Stiles and former Reds fullback Graham goes back a long way. The pair have known each other since high school and played for the Reds together early in their careers.

Jobs for the boys?

[Rex Messup]

A bloke who couldn't scrum as scrum coach and a bloke who couldn't tackle as defence coach.............a winning combination to be sure

[WF1964]

A bloke who couldn't scrum as scrum coach and a bloke who couldn't tackle as defence coach.............a winning combination to be sure

Is this not a Force supporters site?
How about less bagging and negativity about every decision that has been made.

[Rex Messup]

How about a dose of reality?

As a Force supporter, I'd like management to take steps to building a winning team. Hiring incompetents as coaches is mystifying.
Who's selecting the coaches? Dead set

Who stole the jam out of your doughnut anyway?

[WF1964]

Who stole the jam out of your doughnut anyway?

Well, today, that would you and your supercilious comments.

[Rex Messup]

Serious question.

Do you think it is a good idea to hire a scrum coach who couldn't scrummage?

is it a good idea to hire a bloke who couldn't tackle as a defence coach?

Not being a smart @rse, I'm interested in your thoughts?

[GIGS20]

If you're really interested, here goes.
I'm trained as a phys Ed teacher (among other things) and the one thing that really grinds my gears is sanctimonious arseholes thinking you have to be able to play to coach. As a matter of fact the ability to play has very little to do with the ability to coach.
The two key components to coaching are man management (human resources if you want me to be pc) and evaluating a skill against a set of criteria.

Since playing needn't exist in the same post code as man management (rocky elsom, case closed) then you must be saying that you need to be able to play to evaluate skill performance. Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't need to be able to perform a perfect line out throw to know what one looks like, and when it comes to scrummaging, it would be pretty safe to assume there's much that goes on that can't be seen from the inside (let's face it, if you're doing it right, you've got your head shoved up somebody's ass!)

I accept that some great coaches have also been great players, but many haven't as well. Surely even you could make a list.

Now get off this stupid soapbox and use one of your personalities that has a brain.
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[Rex Messup]

My oldest and longest critic retorts with his intellectually challenged vitriolic bile

Your constant Rex bashing has become almost endearing Gigsy. This doesn't mean we'll ever be friends of course.

I am trained in logical thought processes. I'll leave it at that

[GIGS20]

Way to avoid the argument completely me old mate!
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[Rex Messup]

Not really old bean

If your argument stacked up, women would be scrum coaches in professional rugby. Stay at home mums that watch it on the tele would be as good as a hardened professional.

You're saying, you don't have to play the game to know the game.

For what it is worth I disagree.

Stiles was bent over and rogered in every scrum he ever contested. I'd employ someone else personally.

It's illogical

[Darren]

It's union mate, whilst it's slowly changing, you still need that old school tie to get a look in. Stay at home mums do however teach leaguies how to scrum - pretty obvious really...

[Rex Messup]

In minileague, the forwards now stand in the backline
How I wish I could have packed down against a halfback in the softening up period.
I miss the softening up period.
An age gone by.
The timeless art of extreme violence has been all but forgotten by the modern wallaby.
In the words of the great Ray Price......."just belt 'em"

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I'm trained as a phys Ed teacher
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I missed this gem
As part of a system that encourages mediocrity, you can't expect me to take you seriously

[GIGS20]

Not really old bean

If your argument stacked up, women would be scrum coaches in professional rugby. Stay at home mums that watch it on the tele would be as good as a hardened professional.

You're saying, you don't have to play the game to know the game.

For what it is worth I disagree.

Stiles was bent over and rogered in every scrum he ever contested. I'd employ someone else personally.

It's illogical

oh my god, why am I bothering?

I personally think a woman COULD coach scrummaging in professional rugby. I would think the reason they don't is because rugby administrations are likely full of people with their heads shoved as far up their ass as you. If you break any sport down to it's component parts it's all biomechanics. Any student of biomechanics will tell you that skills cross over from many sports. Perhaps somebody from outside the establish,net, with the right training will bring a different perspective and make a change that will revolutionize the way scrummaging is done. I understand that you would call this a bad thing. I would call it a good thing it's a good thing because all games have to develop. I know you don't understand why, or even agree that development has to occur. I love what rugby has become, I love what rugby was. For me there's no good old days.

Anyway back to the point. If you can tell me an aspect of scrummaging that can only be learned by playing successfully at the top level I'll concede.
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[The EnForcer]

The decisions are done and dusted so the proof will be in the results.