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    Bok key to O'Connor's Force plans

    Wayne Smith | March 31, 2009

    Article from: The Australian

    THE Western Force is hoping to close a deal with the Stormers' former Springboks five-eighth Peter Grant in an attempt to fight off a Brumbies bid for teenage Wallabies sensation James O'Connor.

    Barely a week ago, the Force's plans to retain O'Connor hinged on the opportunity the club intended to offer him next season to succeed Matt Giteau in the playmaking role at No10. But it quickly became apparent the 18-year-old has thought deeply about his rugby and realises that, like Giteau before him, he needs time to develop as a footballer before stepping into the five-eighth position.

    Indeed, if the Force insisted on switching O'Connor to five-eighth in 2010, it could have the effect of driving him to the Brumbies, whose chief executive, Andrew Fagan, is anxious to secure him as a replacement for Mark Gerrard at fullback.

    But if the Force is able to secure Grant as its marquee player, replacing Wales-bound prop Ben Castle, it would mean O'Connor would not be burdened with the responsibility of running the game and could concentrate on refining his skills at fullback or inside centre.

    "James might not be the 10," Force chief executive Greg Harris said yesterday. "We've been in conversation with Grant for a few weeks and he is fairly interested in coming across. His parents are now living in Perth and he wants to become an Australian."

    The 24-year-old Stormers playmaker might be able to become an Australian but he cannot ever become a Wallaby after having played five Tests for the Springboks.

    By contrast, the Force's other key targeted overseas recruit, Hurricanes tighthead Tim Fairbrother, has an Australian passport and a move to Perth next year would give him plenty of time to establish himself before Wallabies coach Robbie Deans picks his 2011 World Cup squad.

    "Fairbrother has not committed yet but all the indications are that he wants to come to us," said Harris, who also has been chasing NSW Test veteran Matt Dunning to bolster his front row.

    If the Force is able to secure even one of them, it will make the task of luring NSW and Wallabies hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau to Perth a lot easier, although Waratahs coach Chris Hickey has made it clear he regards Polota-Nau's retention as a high priority.

    Harris confirmed yesterday he also has opened negotiations with a third Waratahs Wallaby, halfback Brett Sheehan, suggesting to him his chances of challenging Luke Burgess for the Australian No9 jersey would be a whole lot better as a starting player for the Force rather than as Burgess's understudy coming off the bench.

    That raises the question of what role the Force has in mind for current halfback Josh Valentine, who comes off contract at the end of this season, with Harris admitting he did not know what Valentine's intentions are.

    While the Force's 2009 season is hanging by a thread, a win over the Queensland Reds at Subiaco Oval on Friday night would keep it alive.

    Indeed, the same could be said of the Reds, who also are on 12 points. And as Queensland coach Phil Mooney observed yesterday, there is such a logjam of teams in the middle of the Super 14 table that a single win is all it takes to catapult even a lowly-ranked side back into contention.

    Mooney has his share of selection problems to work through but at least he has been spared a tricky choice at loosehead after former Test front-rower Greg Holmes was all but ruled out of contention yesterday because of a lingering neck and shoulder problem.

    A few weeks ago, that would have triggered a crisis but so well has Ben Daley performed in his two outings for the Reds that Holmes might have struggled to make the 22 even if he had been fully fit.

    And while Test winger Peter Hynes gives himself no chance of being fit to play just eight days after a piece of floating bone was surgically removed from his knee, Mooney still has not given up hope.

    "Pump him up with a dose of positivity and away he goes," Mooney said.

    Meanwhile, Australia has rolled out the big guns for a two-day meeting in London to discuss which, if any, of the experimental law variations are worth retaining. Deans and ARU chief executive and high performance manager David Nucifora will be pressing hard for the retention of most of the ELVs, in the face of mounting opposition from the Six Nations countries, Argentina and Canada.

    About 70 key rugby identities are attending the meeting and while no binding decisions will be taken there, the conference will largely determine which of the ELVs will be passed by the IRB Council in May.




    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...015651,00.html

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    Grant, Fairbrother and Polota-Nau, now that would be a good week's recruiting!

    And of course retaining JO'C!!!

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    and peter grant!

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    I really hope this can become a reality, Grant is good and it will bring another dimention and culture into the Force lineup. JOC will be in a comfort zone where he will develope and become a try scoring machine

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    thats if the ARU even approve his signing, i wouldnt be suprised if they didnt

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOCC View Post
    thats if the ARU even approve his signing, i wouldnt be suprised if they didnt
    Why wouldn't they?

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    well, if they dont believe its in the best interest for australia rugby then they can say no.

    For instance, if the signing of this player hinders the development of another player(eg daruda), or whether they believe that signing a foreign player in this position would critically weaken the wallaby stocks then they could also say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOCC View Post
    well, if they dont believe its in the best interest for australia rugby then they can say no.

    For instance, if the signing of this player hinders the development of another player(eg daruda), or whether they believe that signing a foreign player in this position would critically weaken the wallaby stocks then they could also say no.
    TOCC i think the other prospective from this argument would be that the if a province was slipping down as the Force could do with out major signings, then this would also weaken the prospective stock of Wallabies!

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    they could say no for a number of reasons to be honest TOCC but say that they would based on the reasons you gave well that is 120% speculation.

    Signing Ben castle was no different to Peter Grant. If Daruda was so interesting a prospect why are the Force so keen to find a replacement for Giteau???

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    the whole foriegn player thing is a bit strange to me. if they do sign grant, it will be for money the same way gits was. i hope they find someone better who actually wants to play for the force and australia for the opportunity.

    it still seems weird to me that they approved ben castles signing, i really dont think having a prop like that on the books for a year does anyone any good. you may as well pay for a better scrum coach and have ongoing knowledge passed on than someone taking a position off someone learning.

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    Not sure if it’s just about the money – don't Grant’s parents live in Perth?

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    After watching the Highlanders on the weekend I believe that we should be targeting the best of home grown talent and work with them before looking overseas.Look at the young props that have been given the chance this year,they have proved themselves at this level.

    The highlanders have no super stars except for cowan and macintosh and look what they managed to do to the bulls.

    Why,because they played as a team and not a bunch of individuals,they played with a ton of pride and loads of commitment.The did what they did because they had to,if they wanted to stay in this comp.Everyone played with urgency and purpose.That is what it will take to survive in this comp anything less will be self destructing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garfiep View Post
    Not sure if its just about the money  don't Grants parents live in Perth?
    According to the article they do, so money may not be the only factor here
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    but he will be offered third party payments i presume (as he wont qualify for wallaby top up) its just a shame that teams from everywhere in the country need to sign players from overseas. if they alloow one or two players from other countries to be payed twice as much as the man sitting next to him, why cant we pay to keep rocky in the country or any other number of aussies who head overseas for a bigger payday!

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    Grant sounds like the best option at this time...

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