Are you involved with Curtin?
Printable View
Every club does it! Paly Soaks and Nedlands are "better" at it than the rest. As a former manager "just put little johny down as 16 his team wont make finals and we'llneed a Prop"
Yes I have been involved with Curtin but I am not talking on behalf of the club but as an individual
Bally, I don't think anybody on the site would have an issue with what you have suggested if that is the truth of the situation.
Yes, if the blokes who play finals are genuinely qualified and unavailable for other matches it does make some sense.
If the club are pushing players of a higher grade down to qualify them...that's not exactly cricket, but it's legal, so (despite some sour grapes from various angles) play on. If, on the other hand, the team is submitting team sheets which are blatantly fraudulent, that is an issue which needs to be dealt with.
That is the accusation, and it's a dangerous one. If it has happened (and I can't tell you whether it has) it indicates that the people who did it are short on integrity and on concern for their players. As only one example of the shit that could go down....what happens if the player who isn't listed on the team sheet gets injured? where is his insurance cover going to come from? The whole team, including the bloke whose name was wrongly placed upon the team sheet should be up in arms about it.
If OTOH it didn't happen (and I assume Bally, you'd be saying that) the accusation is tantamount to defamation, the club has been accused of being, not only cavalier with the law, but not playing the game in the spirit of which Rugby is so rightly proud.
You can't blame the members of those clubs for being passionate in their defense of these accusations, because of the severity which most rugby people would view such a lie.
Like I said, I don't know which side is telling the truth, but to whichever side isn't...Shame, just shame!
Yeah, that falls into the sour grapes thing I mentioned.
If they legitimately qualify for both teams and one team isn't playing finals what do you want the club to do?
If however they have been pushed down into the lower grade as soon as the higher grade are out of contention there's an issue.
I'm just prepared to accept that there are players out there that have abilities that are genuinely between the grades. IE they're really too good for thirds, but don't really make the seconds team regularly, they play as a fringe player in seconds but might be considered 2 and a half. In finals, that player wouldn't make the seconds team unless there was an injury, but would really help the thirds team.
I would play them...others wouldn't.
(however I would also consider that the thirds team would see them as one of their own, who plays seconds sometimes, rather than a seconds player who has been dumped into thirds)
It's a messy situation at the best of times, but I'm adamant that rorting the system is against the spirit of rugby, the issue is telling whether any one case is a genuine attempt by the club to put the best team on the part, or a rort to buy a meaningless trophy.
(ps the rorts to buy meaningless trophies affects all sport, not just rugby)
No, I don't think all clubs are guilty of this. How are you supposed to explain to 4 or 5 players that have busted their balls for their team all season at training and in games that they're on the bench for the Grand Final? You can't. And you'd probably lose those players. Our 3rd grade made the semis a few years ago against Southern Lions. We were the only Wanneroo side to make the finals so we could have chucked in a whole bunch of 1st and 2nd graders, but didn't because firstly we would be screwing over the guys that deserved to be there, secondly, well basically its cheating. You have to be able to look yourself in the mirror after the game, hence the reason Nedlands have removed all mirrors from their changing rooms. Anyway we lost, but pride and respect intact :)
2nd grade would be the worst the first question the player that have been around a while ask is "did there 1sts make finals" if no u know there going to be stacked
The problem being is only 3-4 players get changed palitu and I have never seen the other 12 walk away in disgust
Fickle world we live in
Bally the heat is on neddies as your club is a regular in the finals but no different to any other club
3rd grade down should be left alone as they are more social than development but with the comp top heavy the thrill of winning everything will push people to use the system any way they can
If prems and reserves was more competitive across the comp you wouldnt have this problem
This particular example Bally I have no problem with . A player who has bounced between the grades all year and is qualified for the finals legally, thats the way the cookie crumbles and it is indeed the best for the team. My specific example that i experienced and that a player experienced the season before, the player was left out for a guy that hadn't played a game all season, had played in the past for the club, was at the time a good player and under normal circumstances would get the nod . However, what occurred was underhanded and sends the wrong message to players who want to work hard to improve but get shafted at what should be an honour to represent your team you have played for all year . It says more about the character of the coach/club than the player.
So now Gunny shows his face on another thread unfortunately he is now trying to make a joke out of this debacle after promising to begin an investigation. When Ginger Nuts called your bluff and gave you a name you just went to ground.
Would love Nail Man to contact RWA and prove his accusations.
Neddies would have some very uncomfortable squirming pulsating rectums about this because the whole rugby fraternity are talking about this with a great deal of mirth.
The only other scenario is Nail Man is actually a double agent who has been planted amongst the TWF local rugby men by Paly to take the heat of their own rather dubious qualification process.
Stay tuned as RWA vow to bring these perpetrators to justice and severely admonish those guilty parties with a very stern talking to.
Two names Westie. Cowan and Wykes.
How many games did they play for Wests to qualify for your finals not that long ago?
I know Buck.
And that didn't make it right.
Think of the poor players who were denied a grand final spot to make way for two ring-ins ....
The Queen of England once visited Africa, and was introduced to a mighty Village Chief.
She was very impressed with this Chief, and on her departure she presented him with a beautiful carved and gilded throne.
The Chief was very proud of his new throne. No other chief had anything like it.
Being fearful of it being stolen, and of anyone but himself sitting on it, he kept it tied securely to the roof of his hut.
One day, as he was having his dinner under his throne, a big wind came up and dislodged the hut's roof, causing the throne to fall down on top of him.
The moral of the story is, people in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones ...
Unfortunately cant be proved. The team sheets list the said player for the required number of matches. Besides , they lost the grand final that year so it means squat, justice was served. Just think it needs to be bought to the attention that this shit goes on ,clearly not only at Nedlands , and it should be stopped. Its disgusting.
As an example, you get a call out of the blue from an old school mate to help out. You play - no training, around 7 months since you last played. You have no idea what a registration was or a team sheet etc, and sports medicine an education wasn't even heard of.
You suffer what is a career ending injury. 10 years later you guess that you were probably listed as another player, but that doesn't irritate more than the fact that the opposition physio is the only person who helped you. Many years of operations, physio,and ongoing pain later you know what a fool you were at the time.