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Nick
05-02-07, 09:51
That must have been one of the most woeful displays of Rugby I have ever seen. John please Shepherd for full back the guy had an awesome season thier last year and Drew Mitchells performance was just plain embarissing! With basic balls being dropped or not even attempted to be caught.

Are we up for another year of gritty forward play and shoddy backlines.

On a good note Git's had pretty good debut for the force - Cross seemed to keep getting isolated in my mind and not off loading the ball in the tackle.

Sagerian
05-02-07, 09:53
God I hope no one that has been defending Henjak comes on here bagging Mitchell. He played one game, albeit very badly.

It was his first game, he'll get better. Although I agree he should be on the wing with Sheps at fullback.

Nick
05-02-07, 10:06
Dont get me wrong Sage I think he is a talented player but after shepherd had such a great season at full back and against a team that the Force really should have beaten it was an ordinary display. And definetly its his first game for us but he's not new to super rugby...

Why not drew at wing? I thought Gits preformed well in both centre and at five eight.

Sagerian
05-02-07, 10:10
Absolutely, I would have made that call after Mitchell and 'dorf couldn't decide who was going to catch the high ball (about Mitchell's 4th or 5th unforced error, 7 all up apparently). I would have swapped them out then and there.

Goldmember
05-02-07, 10:24
Unfortunately Drew had to pick the first game of the season to have a bad day. Both Drew and Shepherd are very good full backs.

Sagerian
05-02-07, 10:36
You have to adapt if someone's having a bad day though. Mitchell (John) seems to be the kinda guy that maintains faith, which is admirable in some ways.... All I'm gonna say is that I would have made a mid game positional change.

travelling_gerry
05-02-07, 10:51
Sage......are those stats published anywhere?? I would love to see them for the games but the only published stats you see are the basic of trys,conv,pens etc

Sagerian
05-02-07, 10:53
I'll try to find where I read that, it was part of an article.


-EDIT-

Twas in the article that MG posted.

http://thewholeforce.com/showthread.php?t=5941

Nick
05-02-07, 10:55
Well if you put into context the overall level of the opposition as well the back line faired pretty miserably. The Highlanders are not the best of the NZ teams and they were at less then full strength the Force should have been able to put them away. Even with a few debuts out there the backline should have rallied to play some penertrating rugby, the ball went through the hands a few times but often without breaking the advantage line.

As a whole the backline needed to step up So maybe sage is right a mid game shuffle perhapes 10 mins into the 2nd half might have made a difference - there is certainly some depth in the backs now.

I thought Henjack had a servicable game and Hilgendorf palyed well again Gits was one of the few shinning lights but the Force failed to make those breaks, and the kick returns from Drew were not inspired an opportunity wasted.

Darren
05-02-07, 11:10
I've seen that one (7 unforced errors) published somewhere...

The SARugby SIte has some very detailed player stats HERE (http://www.sarugby.com/news/Stats_Centre.html)

None for this season yet, but 2006 is all there for reflection...

WF2006
05-02-07, 11:20
Fully agree..............with the title of the thread!

Woo - hoo now I'm a Rookie!

Goldmember
05-02-07, 11:46
I think we need to buy Stirling Mortlock as well.

Nick
05-02-07, 13:13
I actually think Drew is a pretty good winger and certainly deserves another run (these guys cost too much to just sit on the bench) but why put Staniforth and Sheppard on the wing? Sheppherd was a great full back why fix what isn't broke & Staniforth was one of Australias better centres of last years super Rugby.

Drew has a proven track record at Wing let him have a run there his pace is handy. The problem is that the Force is not getting over the advantage line and certainly not with any real plan.

And didn't the lineouts go to pot once Brendon left the field.

AndyS
05-02-07, 16:36
I would personally prefer to see Shepherd at FB, with Mitchell providing speed on the wing. We really need someone who can get to the fall of the ball, and at the moment no-one seems to be seriously challenging the catcher or kicker. I also thing Staniforth should be swapped with Cross to give the new boy time to adjust and learn the position.

BUT... I am not John Mitchell, I don't get to see what he sees at training and, while I may not necessarily understand his selections, I am damn sure he knows his job and is working on more information than me. I'm not sure he will be that harsh on Mitchell either - his night was so bad, it was obviously just one of those times when the f***up fairy showed up and turned him into Edward Penisfingers. I'm certain everyone who ever played sport has had a similar experience, but for most of us it isn't played out in front of 30,000 people and the national coach. Mustn't he feel special at the moment..?

The backs were disorganised, but I think there is a definite element of "getting to know you" involved - Giteau would make a break, and our lads seemed more surprised than anyone on the Highlanders side. That'll pass, I just hope to God it's soon. My biggest concern however was the tackle and breakdown - despite all the talk about how much time they had put into it and how important it is, it didn't seem any better than it was last year. If they don't sort that out, retain possession and get clean ball, we will be lucky to do much better this year than last.

Sorry to be such a joy germ, but I feel better for venting.

The Lone Hydrangea
05-02-07, 19:08
Great post Andy, you summed the game up beautifully.

chippernine
05-02-07, 20:06
First post, lets all not forget that most of the new recruits have never played at Subiaco or in an oval stadium, also due to daylight saving the loss of the toss caused us to be playing into the sun first half. Mitchell had the sun to contrend with as well as the oval field giving a very different perception, Gits also only had one match here last year and Cross was new, lets give the guys a chance to get familar with the environs for them it was almost the same as playing away from home. Another thing as most players were not brought up in WA they are not used to the heat and will take some getting used to it.

I am sure as the season goes on we will progress.

Ecky
05-02-07, 20:12
I don't think we can count the sun factor - if he's playing 1st grade club rugby in winter I imagine that's a 3:30 ish start and would have a setting sun to contend with much more often than you might think.

Maybe the occasion, weight of expectations... whatever, Mitchell had a rubbish game and hopefully will be busting his gut to show he's better than that.

But yes, on the wing, and Shep at FB

Shaun
05-02-07, 20:19
Black Jack baby! haha anyone had a look at the clip of him on the Force site?

Rodent
06-02-07, 11:48
I thought the work at the breakdown was a lot better, the problem was more with runners isolating themselves, that and the flankers (especially Brown) going into contact too upright meaning that we got very slow ball.

Sheps to 15, Mitchell to the wing. And I realise that they may have been trying to take advantage of the fact that the Highlanders were concentrating on Gits, but lets not skip him in the backline moves, the Wallabies made that mistake last year!

brokendown gunfighter
06-02-07, 13:44
First post, lets all not forget that most of the new recruits have never played at Subiaco or in an oval stadium, also due to daylight saving the loss of the toss caused us to be playing into the sun first half. Mitchell had the sun to contrend with as well as the oval field giving a very different perception, Gits also only had one match here last year and Cross was new, lets give the guys a chance to get familar with the environs for them it was almost the same as playing away from home. Another thing as most players were not brought up in WA they are not used to the heat and will take some getting used to it.

I am sure as the season goes on we will progress.


& how many highlanders have played at Subi before? & train in the heat of Dunedin:D

RuckNMaul
06-02-07, 13:49
was 16 deg in dunedin on friday
they were making exuses for losing before the game started
and didnt even need to

Nick
06-02-07, 14:26
& how many highlanders have played at Subi before? & train in the heat of Dunedin:D


I agree at the end of the day the heat cant be counted as a factor as both teams have to play in the same conditions - if anyone should have found an advantage in it it should have been the Force. I was in Dunedin in December and it was still only 13 degrees it was more than a little warmer than that when I got back to Perth for New Years...

And our debutants weren't all that new to Rugby.

I wonder how much player contract negotiations had to do with the starting line up? Drew really wanted to play full back and Cross wanted to be a centre it may have been part of the deal maybe after a shocker or two the coash can have the leverage to put them where he actually wants them?

qld supporter
06-02-07, 18:43
Mistakes aside, I thought the Force looked dangerous and in control until the flyhalf was injured.
Cross will take some time to do things instinctively but will get plenty of opportunities outside Matt [who I think is best suited to inside centre], and there wouldn't be a player who hasn't thrown in a shocker,the support he gets from his mates will get him focussed for next week and let him put it behind him.
The lineout calls by the ref were woeful and I don't think the game was let to flow due to a few things least of all the drink breaks which probably favoured the visitors more.
It's only the first game, the players will be hurting as much as us I liked the makeup of the run on side...let's hope S.A will be a happy hunting ground

Shaun
06-02-07, 18:56
Qld Supporter's Super 14 team is the Force? weird... anyways good post mate

prop53
06-02-07, 19:07
i agree with the majority that shep shoud play fullback, and drew to the wing . Lets say thanks we dont have much problems up front. we are the engine room we just need those stockers behind us.
lol

lol

frontrow
08-02-07, 18:11
Qld supporter i believe is the parents of Chucky, is that right???
Well put prop53, where were the stokers...